From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRCktebmBBoELIkYWA@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 09 11:02:12 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFtSK-0001mX-7j; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:02:12 -0800 Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28sf8065909gxk.16 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:02:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=COPm+7t776h8F5PNzrmWWf6S7DCPKnSQKUnU6Neq/dM=; b=s36Sn9E1c8ojp8Hx7Lry5b3Z+CDZzva/nFKzXTsMeTKTjWzFkGnYX8TZpoAGrlbsCN eMW53IjvgH/boYcfhfic/eT0mtiufO2+QxS7yirkcr+O1kFbRhakvIMCER6iqi57DDP6 jwN/9lDo4ChP64bwQRv6CZdHEymbONm9Dg6KQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LKMx9JhDjNFomrGiAxmZS9vZIQI8gv+GQ1XbtvsRBLeNmUzZp8e2UbI2k/n41HvURU QZ58PJEo9nvwSCpSjoBEul5k9vwpwv0iYhL0/+KvGzZ92UYI5mBc8+ePm3tpDHkwKv0B s8wrlFvRWXT0dEaVt3P3cyOmcKTYHlzjG2Z5Y= Received: by 10.90.37.25 with SMTP id k25mr446013agk.3.1289329316285; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:01:56 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.102.16 with SMTP id z16ls1537736agb.4.p; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:01:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr438663agb.45.1289329314244; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:01:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:01:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.134.110.109 References: <201011091141.47108.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201011091210.16716.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (REPOST WITH MORE STUFF ADDED) Okay, since we've got so much confusion here, I will be very explicit. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/res/585.html This holds the entire thread. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289102653812s.jpg This picture outlines the basic script. It shows the grid and how the system was developed for a Lojban mode. Each corner of the hash corresponds to a letter. The example text reads {.i .o'i mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi}. This shows an example of every character (minus the 'hard-diphthongs'), so please refer to this as your core example. For those of you that just can't seem to get it, {.y'y} would be written: X X . ^ I hope that clears up an confusion on the 'non-letters'. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289103671236s.jpg This picture outlines several writing styles. The first two were hastily written with a round tip in two different fashions to illustrate how each character may be 'casually' written. Note that {coi} is the first word, and is a great example of how characters may be variably written. It can be written as a u or a |_|, as long as it's obvious that all 'sides' are equal(-ish) in length and that the top is open. We can also see in the first two lines that {rodo} is written two different ways. In the first, the D is written hanging down, whereas in the second it's written ===| with the horizontal bars extended instead. This is to illustrate that it doesn't matter which dimension is lengthened as long as it's made obvious that it is not equal in all dimensions. This is driven home in the third and fourth examples because all of the sides -are- equal, but in both there is a tail dropping downward. All four examples say {coi rodo mi'e la .lindar.} except the third which says {.lin.} because I was sloppy. Refer to this for style guides. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289106614940s.jpg This illustrates how the 'soft' diphthongs are made. I wanted to, for the sake of consistency, fill in the entire grid for the vowels as well. So AU AI EI OI have a single character. However, to come up with single characters for every permutation of initial I and initial U would be very difficult, especially since we've nearly exhausted every permutation of this grid system. To make this easier, diphthongs that have an initial I are overlined and initial U are underlined. The first example reads {.ui}. It is the character {.i } with the diacrit underlined. The second is the character {.u } which has been overlined, giving us {.iu} as a result. The third is {.ua}, which is the {.a } character underlined. The final example is an overlined {.o }, which gives us {.io}. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289156112875.png This is a nifty picture of a giant stone monster. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289156177933.png This is a picture of the same using larlermorna in a 'stone etched' style of writing as another example of its use and stylisation. The bubble reads {.i ti mo}. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289248658702.png Emphasis and slaka bu! Note that the slaka is a single half-length vertical line. The example reads, as it says next to it, {.lE,os.}. Note the denpa bu surrounding! The example(s) below it demonstrates the use of an emphasis marker. Dangerously close to denpa bu, but unmistakable because it can -only- appear inside of a phoneme, whereas denpabu before a consonant appears -next- to the consonant. So... a bit convoluted, but it makes sense. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289250735647.png Finally, an incomplete tutorial explaining how some stuff works. So... This entire post should contain every single aspect of how to write in larlermorna. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.