From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRDju-vmBBoE_s3ygw@googlegroups.com Wed Nov 10 10:01:22 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PGEz0-0003G7-Pd; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:01:21 -0800 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf946756gyd.16 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:01:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=04QWdJlyVNS/lcit4ZDOXtDB+iw6vzDFncA3pwL7cFw=; b=Maf+JYIfVw/R90gYOhIvGTIhZAwwLKaaRM/qVJ5hSX2a4oZqYahDrmLq4ihRB6qr9u +eW4KlIxgEwSrs+DOK/LScOEdLhGVXrITkFsjm4h8RWw6zpRD/b6KOTzjUMve0AylLTB i4ru+wHsg5qG+r5lUUQCvwF1ECu4pm0VzpN/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=vuNRJN8B5a7G6BiGiS4DHIlqFaNyVfjlEaxiz9towbLEpEVCro8rDwdhhiN1+EJdmi eUF60A6Mpt6r/33fLvqkqcXByWkT0ZC5jHrEIyxXSJ/fv1kxEBYm2PJuHt+CT4AiCY6j 2hpm0q5PqhJlQqSomVKLuRIyp/H/aCTqFuqZI= Received: by 10.90.160.10 with SMTP id i10mr575992age.52.1289412067125; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:01:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.181.16 with SMTP id d16ls217670agf.3.p; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:01:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.163.36 with SMTP id q36mr574089ago.31.1289412066423; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by p20g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:01:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:01:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 32.175.75.155 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > "ko ciska xa tarmi so marna pelji fi'e la lindar" XD!! That's hilarious! As for the semi-arbitrary theme of the vowels, it was just going in vowel-order, then doing the odd-duck diphthong, then putting the I- ending diphthongs all in the right column. However, if we -are- going to change the vowel table, it's going to be like this: > i |oi | o > __|___|___ > ai| e | ei > __|___|___ > a | au| u > | | However, I do not exactly like this. The whole point is that it takes no effort to remember anything because it's in a particular order, starting at the bottom left and going up each column left-to-right. The vowels are A E I O U AU AI EI OI because AU is an odd-duck, so it should fill up the last space, and then the three I-enders should go in order in the last column together. No effort in remembering, because it's in order and matches how the entire rest of the system goes, Whereas with the one above, it's a clockwise circle with a dip into the middle to do the vowels in order (hard to remember), and then the combinations of them (except ei) are the diphthongs. With the original setup it's even worse because it's an anticlockwise circle that starts at the top-right, which is completely counter to the order everything else takes. So for a slightly more "oh, that makes sense" feature in the vowels, we now break the uniformity with which everything was made and make remembering which vowels are which that much harder. So if enough people want to do it the 'combining table' way, then I'll start doing that, but I've been writing the current way for around a year now, so it'll take a bit of effort. Also, before you go deciding what's going to be what, consider if you'll actually use this on a daily basis, cos I do. So don't go changing stuff that you're not ever going to use. =D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.