From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCT1_TmBBoE9KZDUA@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 03:57:23 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PGsFr-0006lm-CP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:57:22 -0800 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf1063618pvh.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:57:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=lhaJ1ffGrubPQr25+37qrfjo3kkkRsT2ZlkSaL0+gAo=; b=uzzOMdYrLPasSnNsy4auj7atGZT3GUTW57hviw7MlOuEaNWiQoTvrb51zN+Fpnn8fS nRpDFiISBocMvZq5OkV7HuTHAmU6/b/fj5b5NOm25ObA+oUX1G8Vmqmr9hI9z590PsvX ca6VPjvi4/99JP6S6fY9k83Tem9fr3zmeqY7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=cRAiY4tG/n+LWI1q7+E7PvW6pkylURwDmxvZdyo5uf8WoL5B2lqqDz7ZpW89Nwqp9v NrShSiwey1pPf5wRRrLx9GqXU9wsH7f1oo4FL35XHOQDVF1zWS1MIEWcoM2LbCSVHS6X zDJnWZzQfsDXpgf7CHhhEziokKabPhJpyDgVM= Received: by 10.143.153.15 with SMTP id f15mr114838wfo.1.1289563027718; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:57:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls4056478wfb.0.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.170.15 with SMTP id s15mr1293434wfe.17.1289563026937; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.170.15 with SMTP id s15mr1293432wfe.17.1289563026877; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y8si5340220wfj.1.2010.11.12.03.57.06; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uESSSoDEku2quKX/oFXS2Smn5+55LTFcWFr5T5T8nFs= c=1 sm=0 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=mVPM-W3qScfIHJyqUsYA:9 a=phiEMomRPTRfkcSzKEF-7fGfiUMA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:60752] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AF/B5-07087-09B2DDC4; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E7117C6B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] name parsing Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:57:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201011111244.03631.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011120657.02277.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 11 November 2010 09:29:13 Luke Bergen wrote: > good lord. It's becoming clearer and clearer to me that natlangs tend to > like consonant clusters WAY more than lojban does. This varies widely among languages. Initial consonant clusters are rare in= =20 Finnish (e.g. "krapu", apparently from some cognate of "crab",=20 becomes "rapu"). Hausa syllables begin with at most one consonant, while th= e=20 distantly related Central Atlas Tamazight has consonant clusters and buffer= =20 vowels. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.