From lojban+bncCL-Ey5qiChCBiPbmBBoE8fAnIg@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 10:14:41 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PGy8z-0002wW-3b; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:41 -0800 Received: by ywj3 with SMTP id 3sf3042588ywj.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kHg0CWzz5CyQ83pUKaDDXUSzka4xcKMRVap+uE+gf18=; b=NkxUp80eYBu2qjgBrudyXwY4VJupqH8jKFMYAioLNSwTHc5chuRkr7zC0l2btvlDmg C8I2pRgcIPaN4V+ygnAobNlQVNDbYaV3xktIpyymCDspXvSKyz22qJfVIvbmPlhFbbCp vH1XwhHaLNEcjKf2hBq58NoQd3Wo32v/kyTtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=T22zTUVJ5sVZmHRs3tvaSqefcsFKPU9foiYTG7/UH8pjF7RjWXTEyMlX9/YQIPI6D6 0ZV/OOT9i4ofqLBLtRA0mQyqSS8u5zynensoDmdGzIU0Zj9H7Xv32Q7DVHSEJc+MNV1t /zMKViiUEJlNddgSTYon9gShaflB66kIcoDxA= Received: by 10.151.3.13 with SMTP id f13mr299567ybi.37.1289585665115; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.85.5 with SMTP id n5ls1134616ybl.2.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.144.12 with SMTP id r12mr775041ybd.2.1289585664395; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.144.12 with SMTP id r12mr775040ybd.2.1289585664367; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com (mail-yw0-f43.google.com [209.85.213.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t12si904693yhc.14.2010.11.12.10.14.23; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.43; Received: by ywk9 with SMTP id 9so2381267ywk.2 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.180.197 with SMTP id bv5mr2368140icb.22.1289585663069; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.137 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4e2ac221-68ca-4ed6-94d9-9275bbc59114@r4g2000prj.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:14:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> =A0I believe that >> stress is salient feature of cmevla and that la martin and la marTIN >> are not the same person/animal/thing (unless that person answers to >> both names). > > The PEG morphology doesn't distinguish them. That means that "zoi > .marTIN. whatever .martin." is a valid sumti. You will need to use a > different morphology if they are to count as two different words. > Syntactically, they're unambiguously the same word. Semantically... well, they're probably the same in most cases, but as a simple matter of pragmatics I'm pretty sure that if you know a Martin and a Mart=EDn who both speak Lojban and are in the room, and you say "doi .martin. mi do prami" nobody's going to get confused about which one you're declaring your feelings for. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.