From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCpj_bmBBoEPgwrwg@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 10:30:19 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PGyO6-0000Iz-Ey; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:19 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2241148wwb.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=L3tmrZvRdEODDXIk6tCR+5p+bGMhkU6TFRky4UkUctQ=; b=yZlgnCEg5R6LRoHI14U2niQvK/g4i757hatMrsD0EMg03p9T7cQNS7a5Myz7vZfTrl a3dASy4jJdd199gFsI6n+j7L41lKd5KgJfO8GYubsmLHI0k2ZzqocxKjF+15vXi71gCj LMh6xhiZb0vETM3DYxI517+LUnBDhH3ihaOV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jLfbPWIn0MffLNdY9JlcBdmwdQUcN+hVNb0DFENFOL8F8nTz4u/VmUJh7Cgbn9IRyY LvVp6gygKXSz1ZHmFmNfo/xkhF6j+kKc/N21JHkJWqcfRTl7T1s7j/xzGQZv7VkqogRA wwzClNFEUN2LcbhG4yBB/rAenYu9MbkFB/FJw= Received: by 10.216.171.144 with SMTP id r16mr251711wel.9.1289586601492; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.198.213 with SMTP id ep21ls1206524wbb.2.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.28.68 with SMTP id l4mr114570wbc.4.1289586600228; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.28.68 with SMTP id l4mr114569wbc.4.1289586600182; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ep20si1281192wbb.7.2010.11.12.10.29.59; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by mail-wy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 23so3502238wyf.14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:29:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.127.134 with SMTP id g6mr2826713wbs.54.1289586570210; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:29:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4e2ac221-68ca-4ed6-94d9-9275bbc59114@r4g2000prj.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:29:29 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Craig Daniel wrot= e: > > Syntactically, they're unambiguously the same word. That's what I'm saying, yes. > Semantically... well, they're probably the same in most cases, but as > a simple matter of pragmatics I'm pretty sure that if you know a > Martin and a Mart=EDn who both speak Lojban and are in the room, and you > say "doi .martin. mi do prami" nobody's going to get confused about > which one you're declaring your feelings for. At least nobody who is also aware of their non-Lojban name. But that could also be true even if they both shared the same identical non-Lojban name. In most cases people will figure out which ".martin." you mean just from their knowledge of the situation, who you are looking at when speaking, or many other clues. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.