From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDij_bmBBoEQbffvQ@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 10:31:16 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PGyP0-0001Gl-Gq; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:31:16 -0800 Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf3043575gwj.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:31:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xBolg5Js/A0QxB5bk8uCIdb9GE4vAhK8+ekYt4JJIUw=; b=qW34ysLmBZcEGwlO4Ek4f3Vx8G4PuyMFzQnThWnQlzrc/qLTp8yZNRE+pra3vnlZG9 3dm0t0H63ALzNUcoYj9TZO6Xn4/v6vSLun1ZT+ht98HWwTOVRVjSWESaLFkEdGtbSANh WZPntvwAXUMgMuVHUs+2NfKoKCJkhU0piJBhc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=kxsAftmp8iE8CTxoq9v9raB7qYeYTY8ixy7zx7jEW4yD7rDIaQSCm6UNCH65EwrVPi glDtScv5aQTXr3c8M/BMzVYauoj7y2a7BlhIkCL+50F3ozqdS0phyXeJMpdWzzfubQcL 9bD9QwxSHCDF2wtgafRPbjQo1I4tHVQBxv1H8= Received: by 10.150.171.11 with SMTP id t11mr304557ybe.47.1289586658032; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.85.5 with SMTP id n5ls1141649ybl.2.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.14.5 with SMTP id r5mr782190ybi.28.1289586657479; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.14.5 with SMTP id r5mr782189ybi.28.1289586657444; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f179.google.com (mail-gx0-f179.google.com [209.85.161.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z5si910964yhz.0.2010.11.12.10.30.56; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.179; Received: by mail-gx0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 3so2037145gxk.10 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.157.145 with SMTP id b17mr2388764ibx.78.1289586656316; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.114.142 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:30:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] x1 to the left From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502db328e8f1c0494df4ae8 --00504502db328e8f1c0494df4ae8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It just fully occurred to me again how absurd this is. What was the reasoning behind deciding that the x1 goes to the left of the selbri and if you want to say "mi prami do" with the selbri first you *must* say "prami fa mi do"? It seems silly and arbitrary that if you just see "prami mi" you assume that the "mi" takes the x2. It seems like the general rule should be "if you see a selbri, it's the selbri, if you see a sumti, make it the first sumti, if you already have a first sumti, make it the second sumti, etc..." until the whole bridi is understood but this general understanding of a bridi needs a special rule to handle "am I to the right or left of the selbri". Why this bizarre rule? mu'o mi'e cribe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00504502db328e8f1c0494df4ae8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It just fully occurred to me again how absurd this is. =A0What was the reas= oning behind deciding that the x1 goes to the left of the selbri and if you= want to say "mi prami do" with the selbri first you must= =A0say "prami fa mi do"?

It seems silly and arbitrary that if you just see "pram= i mi" you assume that the "mi" takes the x2. =A0It seems lik= e the general rule should be "if you see a selbri, it's the selbri= , if you see a sumti, make it the first sumti, if you already have a first = sumti, make it the second sumti, etc..." until the whole bridi is unde= rstood but this general understanding of a bridi needs a special rule to ha= ndle "am I to the right or left of the selbri". =A0Why this bizar= re rule?

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