From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDPoPbmBBoEI7zjlQ@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 11:07:56 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PGyyX-0006L8-FJ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:07:56 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2258910wwb.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:07:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oRMtp66hv1i15QD0iCM80hQgaN1joeMLTKvLqDcChaE=; b=2r+7M5OxA1Fy42Jv9guuRiRpKhzLaWhHHTQ6VNIQ0QjulzqHTvFAGSUHAUrIymSUkx +v7hDUS+nD7ZTguUeh45KLUVI8bFDdSHO7G8MUCU1j0BlAgTr5pZH49yf35J77g48dn6 k3vC8XywHPSRJ4FQfX+l/73Ny3+sEBgNqtNMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZJqctHLSLzQVzs6HSqTEftnhCjPl9a+XK5eYq0G7eQS4ubniytUH1EG+bHmYbN+nnH 6oHGLvjM2L9v4dxYFsvn6uZs7MAilOkkCIJ5BNb2BA9HARSLGgRyr+H3tuUrWSE32tpv fQzE5YqYoTXCFwJ/nLZZ+irI+0cDW0Y7c8vBk= Received: by 10.216.52.195 with SMTP id e45mr350900wec.19.1289588815701; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.5.203 with SMTP id 53ls1276337wel.3.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.25.81 with SMTP id y59mr140395wey.11.1289588814181; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.25.81 with SMTP id y59mr140394wey.11.1289588814135; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m20si1103056weq.11.2010.11.12.11.06.53; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by mail-wy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 39so3707616wyb.2 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.132.208 with SMTP id c16mr2878166wbt.25.1289588812732; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:06:52 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] x1 to the left From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0Back in the olden days of Loglan, something without > an argument to the left was considered to be a command, just like > English, (i.e., in modern lojban "broda" would have equalled "ko > broda"). =A0It's just a design choice. Yes, I think that's the reason. Since commands were marked by the absence of x1, for "dunda ta mi" to mean "give that to me" the arguments to the right had to start from x2. The other justification I heard is that you usually want ko'a in "lo broda be ko'a", or in "da poi broda ko'a" to fall in the x2 place. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.