From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDKpfbmBBoEzShfEg@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 11:17:46 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PGz83-0006ds-CC; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:46 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2262960wwb.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MFLsf5n8ntsNvenpAiYnuM6b6xA8j0ENlvkvDKd2ZQ8=; b=OwWa81U0cFflZNh+rOnPs2/B4bX5lz7zEJXb8aalnDL0XJkUbPAUMR0+tsAUQj2n6f jLvQq9lv2qoyoi5dxLSaZO5LgHO52Ypcojb3v6Kg91nwfOg1fdmiThoHaFzORZf+BBM2 1VOT8wmj4oOONCqJZh8vcANCAFygVuyOX0CSs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xGZI1F1VjrzqPufrSXF1Q645UUVC+vrhJRiKnKIf3ZmYkr+NWWz80rPsS49LojiNML PZ2kg+4l/s80weWmiOqcwTh5hHolxMzaYBATqTWlPvzSfO5NZDOArkrtOac+u2jqvKRx TtsuTDtgA2NNDysoSSFocOC2DYHyl9h7x8cyU= Received: by 10.216.73.72 with SMTP id u50mr345111wed.28.1289589450588; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.41.197 with SMTP id p5ls1222109wbe.1.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.141.193 with SMTP id n1mr118622wbu.28.1289589448382; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.141.193 with SMTP id n1mr118621wbu.28.1289589448347; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f178.google.com (mail-wy0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ep20si1287353wbb.3.2010.11.12.11.17.27; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.178; Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so545429wyb.23 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.7.90 with SMTP id c26mr2888535wbc.83.1289589446199; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4e2ac221-68ca-4ed6-94d9-9275bbc59114@r4g2000prj.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:17:26 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > =A0I know we can either a) go around with the same conversation again > or b) say "look it up the last time we did" but I'm forced once again > to point out that unlike tone or allophones, stress is recognized by > lojban as a language feature that makes a meaningful difference in > utterances, so to say that it doesn't make a difference in cmevla in > particular, is an arbitrary ruling (made by xorxes?) that I see no > support for. It's not just in cmevla, it also doesn't make a difference in cmavo. ba'e (without any stress), BA'e and ba'E are all the same word. I suppose you don't dispute that. It is only brivla that require penultimate stress, the other words just usually follow suit, but don't require it. You are also free to stress more than one syllable in a cmevla, which you can't do in brivla, no matter how long. > And to refer to your friend martin (=3DMARtin) as > "marTIN" is just plain wrong. la'e zo marTIN na du la'e zo MARtin .i > seni'ibo zo marTIN na du zo MARtin =A0(I think I'll start referring to > xorxes as "djordj" and see how that goes over). "xorxes" and "djordj" are two different names in Lojban, but it doesn't bother me at all to be called "djordj", it is actually one of my nicknames. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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