From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDfqPbmBBoErl4WQA@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 11:24:30 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PGzEY-0000VD-W9; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:29 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf5475161qyk.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XuK5s0+7x+RORWa/oTNkYyz8oiCP5tJuO4j9RhK2twk=; b=4a+tXVwqxjZ5rj1cNC5LitCaM6nWLdhkxiJTFjhQcnRasUrEbAij+y9O58s1+ldfZN 7/So+z7DPKqrYZEyupLZ4oUiH89zwnPelCUU5e3ZDslXd2xHbbZmK3uWzvYInAImSK2M PMA92iTHGbkICFH7XaR4HVdVHPBxijZtFAv80= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=1V7qDI4AULN3Zg7YdRet98iX24vJHU3deYg4YosWvgNarTbdfCV0S3KBXxTbtIkzJh lczz4ujvGTaeH67BVNgbesqGuY6/G3JMfzFl/tp2Lfb+Zvm7a+23aw+WQulcK6Kco6jM OIpO3Zij6/znckm+BKoOAxbftdzwPw4QBx1z0= Received: by 10.229.130.170 with SMTP id t42mr347763qcs.28.1289589855104; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.106.83 with SMTP id w19ls1098121qco.2.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.234.69 with SMTP id kb5mr302337qcb.11.1289589854546; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.234.69 with SMTP id kb5mr302336qcb.11.1289589854459; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com (mail-qw0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ey28si1898342qcb.7.2010.11.12.11.24.13; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.53; Received: by mail-qw0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 7so39826qwf.40 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.97.11 with SMTP id j11mr2273789qcn.113.1289589853270; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.219.14 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4e2ac221-68ca-4ed6-94d9-9275bbc59114@r4g2000prj.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:24:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> =A0I know we can either a) go around with the same conversation again >> or b) say "look it up the last time we did" but I'm forced once again >> to point out that unlike tone or allophones, stress is recognized by >> lojban as a language feature that makes a meaningful difference in >> utterances, so to say that it doesn't make a difference in cmevla in >> particular, is an arbitrary ruling (made by xorxes?) that I see no >> support for. > > It's not just in cmevla, it also doesn't make a difference in cmavo. > > ba'e (without any stress), BA'e and ba'E are all the same word. I > suppose you don't dispute that. > Of course I don't dispute that. That's explicitly stated in the CLL in that same chapter, section 2.5: "There is no particular stress required in cmavo or their compounds. Some conventions do exist that are not mandatory", and then goes on to explain the constraints to that rule. This is the exact opposite of what is has by cmevla, which says you MUST show their stress if it's not penultimate. --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.