From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDNwPbmBBoEB7JI2Q@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 12:15:23 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PH01o-0001b1-Gf; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:23 -0800 Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf3095402gwj.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ok1aLEqXnna4RZy2kNLfnp+fhRJ16hbplH29hehYOrs=; b=vTsVpUMhSBYQ6K+EtRvE3Dj5CFI51Nq7c39YV/1i30qbumjEc4VGAQ7KKjvCjXuwd+ U4BVbf60I5Jj8yhp5JRsMJtMpHFjgLzA8QeAW5OccEOBGUvAuMP6onwSna8PywwdBlYY bFuE3cTyCnB4QS53Myvqg+UtncLVPRpmDyPZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ps/BI87bfzoCLSX7i39yq1sQAG+jQzgI3SaghSkcvXwCQFvAn1YJWPyLrCGl7739JI fepTsAlfJnqn4ybIPtw9d7H4pE4SaZX/hskIiuVAArIN/LUtPk9EUJzTpbORLwWUFXQW YEsVEjfSZb+B50x11QqE1ISRd7pvwLGmZEU0g= Received: by 10.90.37.25 with SMTP id k25mr239348agk.3.1289592909099; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls2658685ibk.3.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr674367ibd.4.1289592907914; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr674366ibd.4.1289592907873; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com (mail-iw0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si1956366ibb.4.2010.11.12.12.15.06; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-iw0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 36so4071887iwn.4 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.14.130 with SMTP id g2mr2374860iba.192.1289592906653; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.198 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:15:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:15:06 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] x1 to the left From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255751de1b1f230494e0bf6f --0003255751de1b1f230494e0bf6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > Back in the olden days of Loglan, something without > > an argument to the left was considered to be a command, just like > > English, (i.e., in modern lojban "broda" would have equalled "ko > > broda"). It's just a design choice. > > Yes, I think that's the reason. Since commands were marked by the > absence of x1, for "dunda ta mi" to mean "give that to me" the > arguments to the right had to start from x2. > > The other justification I heard is that you usually want ko'a in "lo > broda be ko'a", or in "da poi broda ko'a" to fall in the x2 place. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Considering what gadri do, it seems perfectly sensible to me. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0003255751de1b1f230494e0bf6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/11/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas &l= t;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Michael Turniansky
&l= t;mturniansky@gmail.com> wr= ote:
> =A0=A0Back in the olden days of Loglan, something without
&= gt; an argument to the left was considered to be a command, just like
> English, (i.e., in modern lojban "broda" would have equalled= "ko
> broda"). =A0It's just a design choice.

Yes, I think that's the reason. Since commands were marked by the absence of x1, for "dunda ta mi" to mean "give that to me&qu= ot; the
arguments to the right had to start from x2.

The other ju= stification I heard is that you usually want ko'a in "lo
broda = be ko'a", or in "da poi broda ko'a" to fall in the x= 2 place.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
Considering what gadri d= o, it seems perfectly sensible to me.


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mu= 9;o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pil= no be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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