From lojban+bncCNSZ3eHoCBCeyvbmBBoEDPVnQg@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 12:35:58 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0Li-0002yf-OO; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:58 -0800 Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13sf856165fxm.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BkId6lh1xJs8mL910wgJL1YXtoYpgHhdnvhuqbBQVLo=; b=IZKvfuE+YNHP384F5bsXq3MIwvpm9Nki/evKuXM+ISQFo7GAgoZeUzEDB+fUvIsk4I dHhEiJ8VnN1Mer7ia+fNShCXGIUXVA4DEwz489OKvlyOzxwjfAhGODWXvawwQzt1+lrL 2KM4Lh1Hetb9jS/xCkKoqdMPVLmKLWdcuyi5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=jqg2gJiT5SlzDLonGajq+5JJPYBV0S6B1EQ53PS/bpg0OTH+gtqtMJi4sSNmoixRsd K0Gjrn4EO3eBXa/h9n+c08ChBCb3CyAIBhRIYgRaESevUarNYIf/lIiSqNpPbXwGj2N5 KmtguQiyI8z7Bz/QIVAsRM5a67vXFILmYyB5w= Received: by 10.223.101.135 with SMTP id c7mr176949fao.2.1289594142865; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.29.18 with SMTP id o18ls1489934bkc.3.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.84.215 with SMTP id k23mr229005bkl.16.1289594142038; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.84.215 with SMTP id k23mr229004bkl.16.1289594141998; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com (mail-bw0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g12si538538bkl.5.2010.11.12.12.35.40; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of frankdmartinez@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.41; Received: by mail-bw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 16so3397275bwz.28 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.72.207 with SMTP id n15mr3284319bkj.70.1289594140784; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.71.131 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:35:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Frank Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:35:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] x1 to the left To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: frankdmartinez@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of frankdmartinez@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=frankdmartinez@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d34c44aa77090494e10891 --001636d34c44aa77090494e10891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 12 November 2010 13:59, Michael Turniansky wrote: > (i.e., in modern lojban "broda" would have equalled "ko > broda"). It's just a design choice. > > --gejyspa However, in lojban, does not the absence of an argument to a selbri simply mean that argument is unspecified? In such case, "prami mi" means "Someone unspecified Loves Me" and is not the command "Love Me". In order to make it a command, if I recall correctly, One is *required* to use "ko", so as to make the statement, "You (imperative), Love Me." Such an idiom ("absence equals unspecified") is seen in the former Google Wave lesson where the Student is instructed the phrase "zdani mi" means "something houses Me" or "I have a house" and is not told "You (imperative), house Me." Is there actually an updated version of lojban, this "modern lojban", I have missed? Or are You just saying, "If We were to start from scratch, We might make 'broda' equal 'ko broda'."? Just wanting to make sure I have read materials correctly. mi'e xuinkrbin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636d34c44aa77090494e10891 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 12 November 2010 13:59, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gm= ail.com> wrote:
(i.e., in modern lojban "broda" would have equalled "ko
broda"). =A0It's just a design choice.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

However, in lojban, does not the absence of an argument= to a selbri=A0simply mean that argument is unspecified? =A0In such case, &= quot;prami mi" means "Someone unspecified Loves Me" and is n= ot the command "Love Me". =A0In order to make it a command, if I = recall correctly, One is required to use "ko", so as to ma= ke the statement, "You (imperative), Love Me." =A0Such an idiom (= "absence equals unspecified") is seen in the former Google Wave l= esson where the Student is instructed the phrase "zdani mi" means= "something houses Me" or "I have a house" and is not t= old "You (imperative), house Me." =A0Is there actually an updated= version of lojban, this "modern lojban", I have missed? =A0Or ar= e You just saying, "If We were to start from scratch, We might make &#= 39;broda' equal 'ko broda'."?

Just wanting to make sure I have read materials correct= ly.

mi'e xuinkrbin.

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