From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDP6PjmBBoEvCpm6w@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 12 22:46:54 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PH9sx-0005U5-SZ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:54 -0800 Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1sf643014gxk.16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vupPixfpxJHQI2/faaPAE9BzhSB5F8fy5WLQGlgNECA=; b=gN1WdUbzpP0mJO4x6MJYLtulVg+tkxQ2lwr+wtdTw7V95lAjRfyKpVtIfNzVv20Fvp gEwFMLPhnmevuEdIWym6QQKOVEGT6LU/jJ7hmuzU/6ES7hPQVAIxRBUsvIaUnZRCM0Zv jvA4h1++QiowgiRKkuhk4rY8s58Pu2vUZR7+E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=09yvv8m6ZsYO+wIQqahhE+hUFvPUBktt6sHtIhZ2ZQyvmaDAaSXwYc6XvNTpDZiNPy VgKPARlcfuk7GcfBD/jW+2fQTiQcwHs6e5oUVd6q/F4+jeZ30KGCd6mq3JnQEGIkRtX/ 3xLVLOIe8NbNl8C4svgLTiYAEapUmx5EhWaRw= Received: by 10.101.125.4 with SMTP id c4mr122040ann.9.1289630800028; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls2863607ibr.2.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.194 with SMTP id y2mr783638ibd.12.1289630799270; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.194 with SMTP id y2mr783637ibd.12.1289630799237; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si2098159ibb.0.2010.11.12.22.46.38; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so4618703iwn.17 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.157.145 with SMTP id b17mr2838390ibx.78.1289630798119; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.114.142 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:46:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:46:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: x1 to the left From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502db329d03230494e99140 --00504502db329d03230494e99140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 haha, I do speak lojbanically; as often as I can. It's mostly the nit-picky theory-oriented side of me that's irked by the fact that all the sumti slots of a selbri are same except in this one way. You use fa to move around to the slots or se to swap them around, all of this you do the same way for all of them. They all live by the same rules.... except this one. It's like "all dogs go to heaven... except for poodles... because it's convenient and therefore desirable". It also seems somewhat biased against verb-object-subject and verb-subject-object types of languages. On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Lindar wrote: > My two cents: > > It's a feature, and a rather useful one. Very often the x1 is omitted > to make it a more observation-like phrasing. Speak Lojbanically and > you'll see why we have it set up that way. =P > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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It's like "all dogs go to heaven... except for pood= les... because it's=A0convenient=A0and therefore desirable".
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It also seems somewhat biased against verb-object-subje= ct and verb-subject-object types of languages.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard= @yahoo.com> wrote:
My two cents:

It's a feature, and a rather useful one. Very often the x1 is omitted to make it a more observation-like phrasing. Speak Lojbanically and
you'll see why we have it set up that way. =3DP

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