From lojban+bncCIfx8JOUAxCrpPnmBBoEyUd07g@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 13 00:54:18 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHBsF-00054o-Qi; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:54:18 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2628048wwb.16 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:54:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:x-virus-scanned:received:received :message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1dLzcDNTPJz5e4xldFb/UTypZZkTZo0M7EgZqPlSBEY=; b=Gq18FAqewT9ySezUH3Tzbs770ocBWQ53Tuy8fQATCb82hoDtiELfK3P/xQuntXg61q 71d91f6BNUs13Q2CHv93I7tmfwODpjgBpWK9JsqjPDGw53PiC0SWz1eulncJbgdGTosU TSIYREg2FhUvvmqgxWr4h4GXNNlV+BLtYPexg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Fq6tn4P0QzNRsWgkAyKpbQ1U+v74qJmTlQX28L7HrhZdAVtEdL5qviXRIkZ995vmWn bmQLbnCM+OAh+McALP5VJm4SX1x/sobL7lGM55FTvBMOUBLrxUIzOvE16eIi6YlLzIYs W+mQzBVLuiOKvs9Cxdrf4dhNGNFZygIc+jxJk= Received: by 10.216.12.197 with SMTP id 47mr117114wez.7.1289638443635; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:54:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.123.10 with SMTP id u10ls677582eeh.2.p; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.135 with SMTP id n7mr486912eeh.8.1289638441517; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.135 with SMTP id n7mr486911eeh.8.1289638441508; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (mail.wybt.net [195.191.196.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z48si1315361eeh.6.2010.11.13.00.54.01; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) client-ip=195.191.196.3; Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E3B48CC3 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:48:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.wybt.net Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.wybt.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AYm74-3cw5rK for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:48:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.178.94] (HSI-KBW-091-089-006-084.hsi2.kabelbw.de [91.89.6.84]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C037848CBE for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:48:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CDE51F9.7060906@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:53:13 +0100 From: Timo Paulssen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101030 Icedove/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] x1 to the left References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) smtp.mail=timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/12/2010 09:35 PM, Frank wrote: > On 12 November 2010 13:59, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> (i.e., in modern lojban "broda" would have equalled "ko broda"). >> It's just a design choice. >> >> --gejyspa > > > However, in lojban, does not the absence of an argument to a selbri > simply mean that argument is unspecified? [=85] > > mi'e xuinkrbin. That's right. gejyspa just didn't want to use Loglan words, because many people here probably don't know them. What he meant was: If Lojban now was the way Loglan was back then, {broda} would equal what we now know as {ko broda}. mu'o mi'e timos --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.