From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxD5sfzmBBoEsG958Q@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 13 15:02:32 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHP73-0005s4-IH; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:32 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf1656516pwi.16 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=GMjA6Z3v6ta5FXfe501rq4Ht+ITKq1xDFC0qF1udXos=; b=DCGluUTQq6GbaWATSmFR0+pyuhe8Ii3ofPkU7M/D/npZhyD/rzoGb5VDYtMls5PvYQ cfMxykwppkAXPE7TkoPzF2hNK/Pr1k3TvHYx0Tp1+sezSiH4BjfwhIBRE3SmDENyu//3 FvEZ9X4xYSDK7NY8LQLsBZrHVTMtkMspZwZoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=Ou1dz3gC1ciMno458T6ySveCHZ1ZeHZ5e1b1DoDUm56Swnz5UcMuF9mps1/iGtzeFT kR/lpEbW8ykbCjPpDTqbTteX5s7So+nuC/M0h3f1DXzdUj3lxuHDJj+aJzfjaBwMxX3h FeuvuyYLrSrINUm107U+9jyU139+j1gXXGOSE= Received: by 10.142.210.15 with SMTP id i15mr231162wfg.64.1289689337014; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:17 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls6000998wfb.2.p; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.177.21 with SMTP id z21mr2448659wfe.55.1289689336338; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.177.21 with SMTP id z21mr2448657wfe.55.1289689336281; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si7925616wfc.6.2010.11.13.15.02.15; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=CsxeWlRgweIA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=MP1AFiCj3PyFYdHyJ8IA:9 a=vqExrgOiEZAJOg0FxBdzXZ6pILAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:55262] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 19/FA-13137-5F81FDC4; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:02:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F66C1562A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] mind map of lojban terms Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201011131358.36561.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011131802.10353.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 13 November 2010 15:47:57 Remo Dentato wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Saturday 13 November 2010 04:47:21 Remo Dentato wrote: > > A rafsi isn't a tag, it's a bound morpheme. It's called an affix, but > > properly speaking that term applies only to some cmavo rafsi such as > > "sel". > > I suspect that the term "bound morpheme" would not work well as reminder. > Remember that the intent of a mind map is to quickly recall the > different concepts and their main relationships, not to give a full > explanation of them. > If "tag" is not the proper word, what would work better? xorxes suggested "combining form", which is good. > > A sumtcita is an adposition (all sumtcita in Lojban are prepositions). > > There are proper prepositions (all of selma'o BAI) and tense markers, > > which can also be used as prepositions. The word "modal" is misused in > > the Book; as a linguistic term, it means words like "ka'e". > > Does it means that the note "additiona sumti place" is wrong? I'm not > sure what an "adposition" is... Could you give a suggestion here? "Adposition" is a linguistic term that covers prepositions (most common in= =20 Indo-European languages), postpositions (used in Hungarian and some related= =20 languages), circumpositions (such as "=E0 ... pr=E8s" in French), and possi= bly=20 others. I would call both "n=E9lk=FCl" (hu) and "dopo" (it) "sumtcita" if I= were=20 discussing grammar in Lojban. But you can say "preposition", as there are n= o=20 postpositions in Lojban. "Additional sumti place" is correct. It's "modal" that's wrong; the Book an= d=20 the ma'oste use it for a preposition semantically derived from a brivla (or= =20 from "co'e", in the case of "do'e"), but standard linguistic terminology us= es=20 the term for words like "could" and "ought". > > "ziltau" isn't right. "zi'o" deletes one place of a selbri; it doesn't > > merge two together. I suggest "taurpau". > > I somewhat understood that this was a term already agreed. Could > someone shed a light on this? I never heard of it before, and I haven't been on IRC for a few weeks. Pierre --=20 I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.