From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDRhcDmBBoEupospQ@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 02 05:24:00 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDFu9-0000b6-BS; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:24:00 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf4118995wyb.16 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:23:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xNyFZKqv7eLIt20pDSq8QiMfoSyGQysCyttij78z4t4=; b=Ix5RYfRb0LYZIoMwleYN1485TkTcIq/DsD6y0V4N8gQfkZIytO3cHP0gcJUxc6COT2 ciK/Rzn+z44kWcsVF7GhaXW2YmCsDDL6BiPqga6QVFiaQRMxZefgZUeKW9QrXdMS1dMD bt3bp2Q7fbFEDMGUvMlwF4/7kXpWlR8GFtfbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x3TESnjySuzPPHFjPcRY7U98MeoSrYIRpfXr8T8DJg1iZW0fRdntMDkXQ+ElfqZrkR F0ujlYGOIhNkhqYHRcS3KvAZow7KE354XrTz0huyjYusrjvxkcgHD79uwC+SA9HOVVJF U04vS9ph+ajuVt8Ll9wWUyQh7mGBD97JcHnxc= Received: by 10.216.159.205 with SMTP id s55mr136829wek.12.1288700625292; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:23:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.5.203 with SMTP id 53ls17191wel.3.p; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr888077wea.14.1288700623838; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr888076wea.14.1288700623816; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q48si603068wek.14.2010.11.02.05.23.42; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so6116931wwb.11 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.133.140 with SMTP id f12mr4271950wbt.139.1288700622445; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:23:42 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Another comic (Again!) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > 2010/11/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > >> (2) "ba ma lo bilni sidju ... cu tolyli'a" >> =A0 =A0 ".i naku zmadu lo djedi be li re .a li ci" >> I think the question should be "ba za ma", > You suggest =A0{ba ze'a ma} for the other case. I think they should be > the same (I pick {ze'a} for now) They are different. "za" is the distance between now and the arriving. "ze'a" would be the duration of the arriving. But the arriving itself will last very little. It's the separation between now and the arriving that matters here, so "za". >> I would make the answer "lo djedi be li su'e re ji'i ci" > Would you leave the {naku zmadu ...} part? No, "su'e" already means "no more than". >I always asked to myself if > one could answer to a {ma} question with a sumti. Would it be > grammatical? Yes, a single sumti is a grammatical utterance. Even several sumti alone conform a grammatical utterance. >> (3) I couldn't figure out "lo sinxa te sazgau". You skipped this one? >> (4) "naku ma'a ba ze'u bandu fi le nu gunta" >> Maybe "renvi" rather than "bandu"? >> "ma'a na ba renvi lo nu gunta kei lo clani"? > What about: {ma'a na ba ze'u renvi lo nu gunta} ? {lo clani} seems > strange to me. I suppose that could work too, it's just a bit weird to add a duration to a place structure that already involves a duration.. >> (7) You use "gasnu" where I would use "zukte". > You mean where it says "Don't do it!" Right? Yes. > In my mind I treat {gasnu} as "being the cause" so that {do gasnu lenu > mi klama =A0le zarci} means "you make me go to the store". Exactly. "gasnu" means "make" in the sense of "make (someone/something) do" or "make (someone/something) be", even though it is glossed as "do". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.