From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhDsvvzmBBoE9W00Iw@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 13 15:30:02 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHPXi-00088t-KF; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:30:02 -0800 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf3043129wyb.16 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:29:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=k4GN7Qf6zbXUNpgYymXvyZ251mi4vVknrh2CnVyzDwI=; b=ypQlNG4VybazLwhNC4fcJaEC1RTUpADT5wNkIAr+wGEe89Zlnm3mY6KdF5nwMTvgFd J4tzjHoZgWNA66IU5V57jRiPEepeA1dR9DtH0yNua4kj48viv8u8y6Tm8BfuSl0zz4TY dINcr0t3tzJcVXb7gdK/Y7yDLDey/d9XNdu1Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Ln9rjCHz5kl+XpDfxJCWunecyYPaP8pN0xXNjbB9TrLqck465LnuCRdwclQwFlt958 FSx9rmSurW540Vy6p+ULFtsr4shcVLAn/tmazDGtL0Z8QSVQABrT3iFzsOq0GQG2h//b w6LbjLBJ1bzchFLwbzHL86IZs752NqCL+AG4I= Received: by 10.216.237.212 with SMTP id y62mr609000weq.17.1289690988269; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:29:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.5.203 with SMTP id 53ls1657713wel.3.p; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.210 with SMTP id t60mr299317wed.3.1289690986988; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.3.219 with SMTP id 67mr145143eeh.14.1289677057715; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.3.219 with SMTP id 67mr145142eeh.14.1289677057693; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ew0-f46.google.com (mail-ew0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t6si1516083eeh.0.2010.11.13.11.37.36; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so231690ewy.33 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:37:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.4.198 with SMTP id 6mr4240445ebs.81.1289677055964; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.34.200 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:37:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201011131358.36561.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:37:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] mind map of lojban terms From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c34dccbb5ca0494f456ff --0015174c34dccbb5ca0494f456ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was under the impression that a cmevla was a word that could only be used as a name due to morphological constraints, usually ending with a consonant, but that pretty much anything could be a valid cmene (which is a word used as a name). On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jameson Orndorff wrote: > There was a long discussion on how to pick a word for the concept of > 'ziltau'. I wish I could remember how we came to the decision. > > I would rearrange a bit - tanru are composed of two ziltau, and a > ziltau is either a brivla or cmavo (or a few other constructs.) > > I'm also definitely glad you included cmene in there, as I'm fairly > sure none of the existing texts differentiates between cmene and > cmevla. > > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Saturday 13 November 2010 04:47:21 Remo Dentato wrote: > >> When talking about lojban grammar we use lojban words that, at first, > >> might be difficult to remember and correlate. > >> > >> I've made a small mindmap to remember them: > http://www.dentato.com/map1.png > >> > >> I would be grateful if you would like to have a look and tell me if > >> there's anytihng I missed or got wrong. > > > > A rafsi isn't a tag, it's a bound morpheme. It's called an affix, but > properly > > speaking that term applies only to some cmavo rafsi such as "sel". > > > > A sumtcita is an adposition (all sumtcita in Lojban are prepositions). > There > > are proper prepositions (all of selma'o BAI) and tense markers, which can > > also be used as prepositions. The word "modal" is misused in the Book; as > a > > linguistic term, it means words like "ka'e". > > > > "ziltau" isn't right. "zi'o" deletes one place of a selbri; it doesn't > merge > > two together. I suggest "taurpau". > > > > Pierre > > -- > > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > > .icu'u la ma'atman. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015174c34dccbb5ca0494f456ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was under the impression that a cmevla was a word that could only be used= as a name due to morphological constraints, usually ending with a consonan= t, but that pretty much anything could be a valid cmene (which is a word us= ed as a name).

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jameson Orn= dorff <jtorndo= rff@gmail.com> wrote:
There was a long discussion on how to pick a word for the concept of
'ziltau'. I wish I could remember how we came to the decision.

I would rearrange a bit - tanru are composed of two ziltau, and a
ziltau is either a brivla or cmavo (or a few other constructs.)

I'm also definitely glad you included cmene in there, as I'm fairly=
sure none of the existing texts differentiates between cmene and
cmevla.


On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Saturday 13 November 2010 04:47:21 Remo Dentato wrote:
>> When talking about lojban grammar we use lojban words that, at fir= st,
>> might be difficult to remember and correlate.
>>
>> I've made a small mindmap to remember them: http://www.dentato.com/map1.png=
>>
>> I would be grateful if you would like to have a look and tell me i= f
>> there's anytihng I missed or got wrong.
>
> A rafsi isn't a tag, it's a bound morpheme. It's called an= affix, but properly
> speaking that term applies only to some cmavo rafsi such as "sel&= quot;.
>
> A sumtcita is an adposition (all sumtcita in Lojban are prepositions).= There
> are proper prepositions (all of selma'o BAI) and tense markers, wh= ich can
> also be used as prepositions. The word "modal" is misused in= the Book; as a
> linguistic term, it means words like "ka'e".
>
> "ziltau" isn't right. "zi'o" deletes one p= lace of a selbri; it doesn't merge
> two together. I suggest "taurpau".
>
> Pierre
> --
> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
> .icu'u la ma'atman.
>
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