From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDn0f_mBBoEFs4OrQ@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 14 05:50:28 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHcxd-0006oY-ED; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:50:15 -0800 Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf4550594gwj.16 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:49:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9jMUeAi8FiEdnZX+X5HpPhnUI6XZ1NE9kfW31r6KbJA=; b=PfuZNuViGf8mWYNzROoJsgldnUdVzAoCNCaE1r81494OzBmOf8eMemYQhYxYHzwkKU BR8gAn4WpktLr5O59501gqvMC+2uNW3f7jWZaG8da0uN2qumzzNYz7TfwaBuNYhIR2CZ VBCxd4w41U5gx4JaqvnzsrUayXpUjSpGWpyVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U8kHaPdxiEZ2zZSBHp602o5GNQ5ZnKDu4zHunai213qpfLWEtcv5vfBhkjbWNngtGm GYc8QseU6p93ldF4L1JOZrVrv2fEWfTvI4dpfJ0x7QLj8Spcq6ASrvMMSlhyZxwxNZmd F5pkh/rxCCchA2kMYbAImmleShO2w562ICKwM= Received: by 10.90.2.37 with SMTP id 37mr337063agb.30.1289742567453; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:49:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.28.24 with SMTP id f24ls1175311anj.0.p; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.208.2 with SMTP id f2mr849922ang.32.1289742566323; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.208.2 with SMTP id f2mr849921ang.32.1289742566312; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id l39si1211076yhd.5.2010.11.14.05.49.25; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.122 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.122; Received: (qmail 35745 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2010 13:49:24 -0000 Message-ID: <763910.39914.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qYx_QxoVM1nc.qahvb4wnjeWu3YZkMrW2jneu_Mk9EYlVqc 2X6ZumMBB8j0wMy3kDGvo6ylVDWWoHaGFylIGmsW7C77ldFhetofO.05vrCd YH0aw97WTXG.T4gGLsctZ0ZYz7pCT_AVp3Hlexnoc0t2EsFD9J8uPW5ljllx f.ZVmrfnyrEJPQKB8N438O5dHjfpcD4GbqPAyj.NdbBwWlWt4Cp9q9OQDWKd gb4_ZQWi7dLrCMS3oqHgdcU4LezwIGRn6GWDIl1Ahf7a_SClRR1DO7TaDMq2 0tKQRh5FMzUSAn3kODvCYTWZuvShau8cJyfGi4BrAE.Jw2MwfOW.wMvEesYe _crJufYA6v2bOnWTnh5xOfHIWpVvwJSbTPlcbA.76eg6KfdQ_vQSI9TzG Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:49:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <201011131358.36561.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] mind map of lojban terms To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.122 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If 'la Pred' is legit, so Pred can be a name ('Pred' =3D any predicate), is= 'la'=20 followed by a nominalized bridi (drop the first argument, all subsequent=20 arguments preceded by connectors - 'be' and 'be'o' or some such) legitimate= and=20 so any nominalized bridi can be a name? that is, can a phrase (as opposed = to a=20 word -- or a string of cmevla or a complex predicate) be a name? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 5:24:59 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] mind map of lojban terms On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wr= ote: > I was under the impression that a cmevla was a word that could only be us= ed > as a name Almost, but not quite. It can also be quoted "zo .aleks.", it can be used to make a lerfu ".aleks. bu", it can be used to make a zei-lujvo: "ka zei .aleks.". But those are special uses. The most common use is as a name, as in "la .aleks." or "doi .aleks". > due to morphological constraints, Not really due to morphological constraints. It's just a syntactic constrai= nt. > usually ending with a consonant, Always, not usually. cmevla always end with a consonant, that's their definition. > but that pretty much anything could be a valid cmene (which is a word use= d > as a name). Sort of. Only a selbri or a string of cmevla can be used as a name. But pretty much any word can be part of a selbri, if you join it with "zei" to some other word, so in that sense, yes, anything can be a valid name. So "la zei la" can be a name: "la la zei la cu klama lo zarci". But using "la zei la", or things like that, as a name can be slightly confusing. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.