From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDx3__mBBoEyNYjJw@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 14 06:19:44 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHdQh-0000MB-5u; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:44 -0800 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf7945772qwh.16 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4rTvix7xjnvwzIm89JBwhWJGr84Ei3Ry+B1bEHLnGKQ=; b=cRrkkahqEdPyX92gJAK3gQHEpXgl1ZsKtKKMpSIi35vQe6t8BMfvMhCJonjaIBGhb1 Ggz+BrDV8KU8vtPrKPlU8SPcG0ZpS5YwRZT4xXbR4p5uaBiytTzI9naMhWFoK58H+BLX n9zxfvGlKy030o7LyXy+lUwvFNBK2hEwtlH64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=szNUTujyPVScL7JL3ADm8Tk0pdS2TEgkI2aDsD+YtKnHl4uTHN+A+hTWrIZJDMRUMh UA85pM0PdyRc9YaqC0U4dFqcODRJbP6Z6WRLXZ4FQw9zFFHevFpGu+jtzKt9Qs85bs4v 2dcGolvoTnX90L4MP1hGigKGamX3XzqlQijy4= Received: by 10.229.78.204 with SMTP id m12mr596098qck.24.1289744369773; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls1591060qck.0.p; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.136 with SMTP id gw8mr489734qcb.29.1289744369088; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.136 with SMTP id gw8mr489733qcb.29.1289744369065; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f42.google.com (mail-qw0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ey28si2288580qcb.15.2010.11.14.06.19.28; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.42; Received: by mail-qw0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 7so2545434qwd.29 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.81.74 with SMTP id w10mr4157913qck.75.1289744367406; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.219.14 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:19:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CDE51F9.7060906@perpetuum-immobile.de> References: <4CDE51F9.7060906@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:19:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] x1 to the left From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Timo Paulssen wrote: > On 11/12/2010 09:35 PM, Frank wrote: >> On 12 November 2010 13:59, Michael Turniansky >> wrote: >>> (i.e., in modern lojban "broda" would have equalled "ko broda"). >>> It's just a design choice. >>> >>> --gejyspa >> >> >> However, in lojban, does not the absence of an argument to a selbri >> simply mean that argument is unspecified? [=85] >> >> mi'e xuinkrbin. > > That's right. gejyspa just didn't want to use Loglan words, because many > people here probably don't know them. What he meant was: If Lojban now > was the way Loglan was back then, {broda} would equal what we now know > as {ko broda}. > > mu'o mi'e timos > Yes, hence the "would have" (subjunctive (approx. =3D va'o da'i lo nu...)) On the other hand, timos, there are plenty of Loglan words lojbanists know -- bisli, rismi, vamtu, blanu (although blanu had an x2 place back in Loglandia (x1 is bluer than x2)) --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.