From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDSnIHnBBoEAgte4g@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 14 13:02:28 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHjiQ-0001n1-4F; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:27 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf8478350qyk.16 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7EQ3ASruqzO6cRPuZ0BgJZuR63O9jfJ9Ur0G9CgZd9Y=; b=cH3FUv8upHtSWvo6W1DSoWNzW2ugQtP8pV+JOmsiB7Z0KpoEvdeQRqe0iyXxkkbpk/ V0n056XYUhGa9VV0OcZ+rYYtVL4ZvQ97npqSM2h92cKJSSh7la1RlCUtIP0yx+3H+bEp wAnwLgdaoW5L90J6bdyQJkikehRK+EpoSS1T4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fo1ZqGdzZK9TbE1G0aUFRNpJkxiLWBr9XaZtS7mYfw+h4mk9UMPEswGGAlBMbguIE3 0p75lusKY2GwiZvgrdBDd/+tT0w5I+eidPdD5OQDOu/4TFZM/BGpu/RB0BAy2q25GcCv reWIMSToS1nV5ma8N3i1/SqbS2tbVx1PLFPz0= Received: by 10.224.137.195 with SMTP id x3mr241293qat.47.1289768530203; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.182.72 with SMTP id cb8ls905007qab.5.p; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.2.83 with SMTP id 19mr42996qai.8.1289768529279; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.2.83 with SMTP id 19mr42995qai.8.1289768529268; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f171.google.com (mail-qy0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j6si2357281qcu.2.2010.11.14.13.02.08; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.171; Received: by mail-qy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 38so2979282qyk.2 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.181.210 with SMTP id bz18mr4512838qcb.43.1289768527958; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.226.15 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <889191.54462.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <350973.16716.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <889191.54462.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:02:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mind map of lojban terms From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I know it can done better, no two people will draw the same map :) For now I'm content with the fact that what I wrote is not wrong and I'm pretty sure it serves the purpose of remind what those concepts are. I hope someone will find it useful or, at least, will feel motivated to write a better one. Thanks, remo On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:38 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > Before I forget (again), really like the map and most of the points on it= , my > comments are only about the comments around the points. =A0(Well, I'm not= sure > that denpa bu and slaka bu serve their own points.) > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: John E Clifford > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 1:55:14 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mind map of lojban terms > > I really hate to pick nits, but .... if 'cmevla' is defined by its form (= 'ends > in a consonant') the same should apply to at least 'gismu' and probably '= brivla' > > > and to 'cmavo'. =A0Then an added remark about uses might apply. 'bridi' s= till > mixes words and things: as words, it is a predicate (selbri) with all its > arguments(sumti); as things; it describes a relation as holding among the= things > > > referred to by the sumti (I'd stick with the words part).So a selbri is j= ust the > > predicate expression (refers to a relation) in a bridi, sumti are noun ph= rases > (refer to things) in a bridi, a gadri converts a cmevla or nominalized br= idi > into a sumti. (and, while I'm in critical mode, you don't need 'about' af= ter > 'discussing'). > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Remo Dentato > To: lojban > Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:07:57 AM > Subject: [lojban] Re: mind map of lojban terms > > Thanks to all for your feedback. > > I've posted a new version of the map on lojban.org: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Djbo_cheat_sheet > > You'll find both a high res version for printing and a lowres version > for viewing on the screen. > > Should anyone want to improve the maps, I have included the source > file too. =A0It is a Tony Buzan's iMandMap source file, a format that > many other mind mapping software are also able to open. > > Remo. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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