From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDG75TnBBoE-PuijA@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 18 06:27:33 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJ5SU-0001rw-NZ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:33 -0800 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf1697339wyb.16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=J7s9tlza6eNnHPlwUCYKgOMU48nIHR4KbuP+618B/JU=; b=KYr6Ar4lenSdYF3Cx48Ss6fPlseXxLcFl7UoD6vV9tlAYpe5MOi3BG0o6+yWSw4VS/ CNWKJXypQNbSMo+xkDla/QfXEjrxGh7MrfblaChgGSaCkEXDhFPhrg083FtOjwCQdYTb CKjisUCOy4Rpbt4awkIZETlggRwKRUcGBGnVc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=c6DpZV9xR+qLTnWmcrPuIqod7dL/OrsulBDlNHvNBbyL+/KGuectSCrDibKmDvznFg 9PfHsJMSBmZ+r13OxeylSzts5zJ6ZJGju7CCbTUFi8llBoTtMHJlC09KEthcGjUpMYrI K8NFCExWuRwNatewUyULdSbg4Ff4/8qNL3o0U= Received: by 10.216.237.9 with SMTP id x9mr68271weq.11.1290090438699; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.62.75 with SMTP id x53ls726145wec.3.p; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.37.133 with SMTP id y5mr31355wea.14.1290090426789; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.37.133 with SMTP id y5mr31354wea.14.1290090426761; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t18si46401wes.9.2010.11.18.06.27.05; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by mail-wy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 23so3356169wyf.28 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.155.15 with SMTP id q15mr728712wbw.141.1290090425363; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:27:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:27:05 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {ziltau} vs {taurpau} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > > I remember that one of the arguement was that {ziltau} was the term > used in the grammar but I couldn't find it in the BNF (neither in the > PEG) grammar. The grammar uses "tanru-unit". > On the other hand, {taurpau} suggested by Pierre seems a very sensible lujvo. > > Could we all get to an agreement? The only problem (with both "tanru-unit" and "taurpau") is that the construct in question need not be part of any tanru, it could be a selbri all by itself. It may be part of a tanru, but need not be. The advantage of "ziltau" (construed as "tanru be zi'o bei zi'o") is that it removes any idea of modifiers and modificands, which is not really part of the essence of a tanru-unit. The disadvantage is that it can be quite confusing. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.