From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCEpJXnBBoEj-9cMA@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 18 08:19:31 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJ7Cq-0004yG-6Q; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:19:30 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf276268pwi.16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:19:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=O4NkWkLa71cf22lZu6eWvfRhU1z1i2zwNUAoEg2WJsA=; b=hV3MxzUTZU9yAs22yd0yiTugu8XEnvqB5OHnRaN2aXYCyVivLxS7sYvBdV88Z8BRVK I96/xJ2YV/EW3+j+VYKm+JjDgcfWH5alDm6uDz3384BsQNzRnEmo54fZOuWrzZawI4ru 0dbjtq5wtFoelonEy3r5cqS8enmfwRCGP6ii8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :message-id:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PBVjAHvD2miZ7tctgk/XXb1fvCB+azWbxl0XPaDpjs94qk+gPnrUJYWiTcWcqpngB7 DIW+I/AK30oGuqTzCwV/lws2aNX2zyWXqSP880UnsG/5BUsQhVp3IGZsRRN6ASAFoIkl iaB9uzwafl4D26EzJvSUGVt0uqDZs/JvKrjaQ= Received: by 10.142.149.31 with SMTP id w31mr36265wfd.60.1290097156294; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:19:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.249.41 with SMTP id w41ls2876378wfh.1.p; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.180.6 with SMTP id c6mr484596wff.5.1290097153969; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.180.6 with SMTP id c6mr484595wff.5.1290097153943; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si800232wfc.2.2010.11.18.08.19.13; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=Mh3I-0oWL9sA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=edZbBv-SAAAA:8 a=UCed_e7j85YX4akC-kcA:9 a=x6MAN3YduTKvQTGb-K1kiI_cbbkA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:46186] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 89/CF-13137-00255EC4; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:19:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7007319892 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] biodiversity and sequence of quantifiers Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:19:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011181119.03664.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm doing research on herbs and found this sentence: =93It is also estimate= d=20 that 70% of the plants existing in the planet occur in only 11 countries:= =20 Australia, Brazil, China, Colombia, Ecuador, India, Indonesia, Madagascar,= =20 Mexico, Peru, and the Democratic Republic of Congo.=94 In case I mistranla= ted,=20 the original, in Portuguese, is on page 2 of=20 http://www.cedeplar.ufmg.br/seminarios/seminario_diamantina/2010/D10A022.pd= f . How would you state this in Lojban? Obviously he means species of plants, not individual plants. An individual= =20 plant cannot occur in more than three countries (unless there's a Four=20 Corners of countries somewhere). But with the quantifiers in that order, it= 's=20 highly unlikely that all species of plants which occur in 11 countries occu= r=20 in the same 11 countries. Pierre --=20 Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.