From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRClupbnBBoE_9mlNg@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 18 13:40:08 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJCD4-0007Dh-MF; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:40:08 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf1948762wwb.16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=TQtPlDOqpZLLc6V9lEGynYqn1Z3rtv3WfH0oa7lmL0o=; b=g9sUEJmdhrbrfKGN3MyEdHxTFVGuOSblbAaSNSYkrJn9b+HcyaLgxiPJf0Ic5Pl++T IObCZMorn3sAj08QiSk2eBYNeOFFQDfYn/82t91zpPreKFZj2X2xU1ceddO+bk0v294e hu2rWUGf+cIV2lEzxvK+ANHVcthpxHTrj8Rr0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=VfY2EUBZIkzx5+e/FDqc0p2AyUfEZHY3BNRLPS47J9m2Z29le1Eq3Y8vegAvaccTmL NvrwtaoK+Im8/QopdlUyUJV9tm3YpQPn/WLNLsD0vIQaJtutJ8W6EYmegzl3tZPhh5N2 AweB9u+ThNG6HRDqQ5p++NR1L2PMEkSzk3rxg= Received: by 10.216.12.197 with SMTP id 47mr935499wez.7.1290116389990; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.208.4 with SMTP id p4ls854203weo.2.p; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.150.167 with SMTP id z39mr195750wej.10.1290116388243; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.150.167 with SMTP id z39mr195749wej.10.1290116388180; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f173.google.com (mail-wy0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l2si88539weq.5.2010.11.18.13.39.47; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.173; Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so3675205wyj.32 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.143.18 with SMTP id s18mr1294058wbu.112.1290116386585; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:39:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <90e6ba53aa46e9d9b9049542c2a8@google.com> <9f838b31-e959-41d3-aa04-c1599ea84916@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:39:46 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: New language: lojban From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > For example, my initial instinct to translate > "The old man has enough money." > > would be > {le tolci'o nanmu ku ponse rau jdini} > > but I am not sure whether it should be {rau lo jdini} or {lo rau jdini} or > if I should be using {loi} or something. When in doubt, use "lo" and don't use outer quantifiers. "lo rau jdini" is "money, in an amount that is enough" "rau jdini" = "rau lo jdini" has a quantifier, and so it requires a full bridi to make sense of. "lo nanmu cu ponse rau (lo) jdini" says that enough of the money is owned by the man (while the rest of the money is not). mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.