From lojban+bncCMuAoImuBxCvtZfnBBoE7HV35w@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 18 18:02:40 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJGJA-0007Ck-TH; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:40 -0800 Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16sf367645fxm.16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I5C0x6c5oaA/9ErXUD5HP3hT5CdFFUKs328SZ2ny3yY=; b=McfJI5hrViJLfato4lClXvjdyvdOvjvVB0e1NHMgTGg55Z6+hdhbe5+00BcG/I69Qa kGZnrVM7TTJqjyDrRLfaaXHM0PCZIjlk5tYZp1roEkKNGYRFEKAVThUoUogeEOStO716 dxmy4G2H1UPkF6W/q8tM/m7HN3MbXCSbEYA20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jnz7GCtr4zMUUN0rLqZ6j4PFDpDpPCsCFZA9lLoPQTVyq35dCzxny8QBu+j7t4gQLE t5bcKX8oCtWsxHHD3zEvbKkDOkXq4nYalXdzcixmyR42Bd5RMQQHQM6MUOA9MTsg4dpw xHTCWeOn9Vy1q6mBhIfOuSIEMRS7cTi8KMM40= Received: by 10.223.107.195 with SMTP id c3mr99194fap.4.1290132143942; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.145.130 with SMTP id d2ls429327fav.1.p; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.87.5 with SMTP id u5mr122489fal.7.1290132142606; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.87.5 with SMTP id u5mr122488fal.7.1290132142543; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com (mail-bw0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g13si81964fah.10.2010.11.18.18.02.21; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jtorndorff@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.41; Received: by mail-bw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 16so3573963bwz.14 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.3 with SMTP id v3mr1435253bkh.99.1290132141316; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.57.68 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:02:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <90e6ba53aa46e9d9b9049542c2a8@google.com> <9f838b31-e959-41d3-aa04-c1599ea84916@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:02:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: New language: lojban From: Jameson Orndorff To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jtorndorff@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jtorndorff@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jtorndorff@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: >> >> Another point is {lonu} versus {lo nu} (and cmavo clusters in >> general}. I've no strong opinion on that. > > Do those who prefer "lonu" also prefer "keiku" as the terminator? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > What other terminators would you use for {lo} and {nu}? :) As far as clusters go, I only cluster two things - words which actually change the meaning of each other in some way when they are adjacent (this pretty much only applies to NAI), and numbers. Everything else I leave unclustered, for quite a few reasons. For one, I find that I can read it better when they are separated. For two, I've encountered a number of people who have assumed that the meanings of the words actually do change, or that a new entity is somehow created when the words are clustered. (Part of this might derive from the ma'oste, where a lot of potentially helpful common clusters are specifically defined.) And finally, it does make it easier for new people who are still learning and trying to memorize what words mean and do what if the words are separated. mi'e .kribacr. mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.