From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCO7pnnBBoEwJkX5g@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 19 05:09:53 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJQip-0008TZ-3R; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:53 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2319629wwb.16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KILlbyNMMBeb2qIpf07l9sDKy5ZJ61VPFAHjGDQJFWw=; b=Zdsi6YFbsbDBH5XRBSx65jpQ7AbUAERqL7sdFZRqk+9eBb0e8t/VTTNb+72ULm9vIs 6ALIGqZUB78l5p5aPKIx+q5Ixumo0ictDExdidF4kieauXH/HSDNieZbfAWNGXDiHGHG Dt7hCz31YOaBwhD35DN+W6NG3SiJpEjhDT70c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xs416h19Uj+UdZAVgF+tXaxylOs9MEn41TMo8bYCMgRXn0SRt9LdiV1+rBTjnJlg4p 24URmF7sXKrGORATUkAxjU9SvDo2mFKyVHo0HLbFa82bPfEn/iyK1ycVPuMgbmePAxR8 RaJQdywAUUucaZxHgJCbcAGmsJKMFgTDxcQNg= Received: by 10.216.237.83 with SMTP id x61mr256006weq.3.1290172174616; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.62.75 with SMTP id x53ls1096796wec.3.p; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.55.145 with SMTP id k17mr240452wec.0.1290172172067; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.55.145 with SMTP id k17mr240451wec.0.1290172172024; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f51.google.com (mail-ww0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t18si172037wes.9.2010.11.19.05.09.30; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.51; Received: by mail-ww0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 22so70011wwb.32 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.136.148 with SMTP id r20mr2229481wbt.170.1290172170510; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:09:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201011181119.03664.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:09:30 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] biodiversity and sequence of quantifiers From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > 2010/11/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Michael Turniansky >> wrote: [...] >> > ji'i pi ze lo ro spati poi se terdi ti cu diklo loi >> > papa gugde [...] >> You're missing the "only". [...] > =A0 Why do I need the "only"? [...] >2)=A0 "diklo" already has inherent in it the concept of "localized > to", and therefore are =A0not outside those countries. Ah, you are right. I was thinking "x1 is local to x2", but the second definition of "diklo" is "x1 is confined to x2". "confined to x2" basically means "local only to x2", so the "only" is already included in "diklo". > OTOH, if the sense of > the original is that you could pick up 70% of the world's plants by visit= ing > those eleven countries, but not precluding the possibility that you could > find those same plants elsewhere, then I have NOT captured the right sens= e. Right, I find the original ambiguous in that way too. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.