From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCWiZrnBBoEsuULKA@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 19 06:07:33 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJRcg-0004Ob-Aq; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:07:33 -0800 Received: by pzk26 with SMTP id 26sf355604pzk.16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:07:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=yKDrUJuoITrvhTL6uiV6BM99y+bOqZlDBQGUNedO6So=; b=vR6G2JU02Ks/BQ7pJSeGafcJQLG21It8D7ZIdzqlgCUG+XgUdKUbTKJMrn+yv96Hwa zzkv223MIDDJr3IFsAU4dRvUY5H+DUf34Q9XdJVltqrkyTb7BWlY4ZZMrnhAjFebyP4m QRhBaOYpxpT711O4lVePKjxWCAhP6wuWM5W1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=jpEdf+4vOB8Eq0mOeClTaVD5GI6rE9SB++3A+RpHgAUOKWtraV8li5a+uRwkaGUnLv hthVM2ZwIlYC7OEzvG7af0BhzrxiQ1BlH6BhiUUn+3MlWgBrb3itdDqXpW0qx+fTV/tO gYA2C9Vtlh+lxgtdmyPtkpesMqBMTFT/5dbuI= Received: by 10.142.250.38 with SMTP id x38mr102684wfh.59.1290175638718; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:07:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls4274871wfb.2.p; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.162.14 with SMTP id k14mr1233367wfe.60.1290175637637; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.162.14 with SMTP id k14mr1233366wfe.60.1290175637613; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si2417893wfl.3.2010.11.19.06.07.16; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3jtQBdTzPyV+fq4oCU/u8ZPrJJGN11HvhaDVxyWhycI= c=1 sm=0 a=23TLp3DwyL4A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=G1NWCUvXqg5tlCP61uYA:9 a=Lf8xrZoqhtvwQGqZW6lXsG7RhxQA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:57054] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 24/95-02631-49486EC4; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:07:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF7513159 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:07:15 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] biodiversity and sequence of quantifiers Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:07:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201011181119.03664.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011190907.13785.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 18 November 2010 11:48:17 Michael Turniansky wrote: > I'll take a stab at it: > > [fi'o suckancu da] ji'i pi ze lo ro spati poi se terdi ti cu diklo loi papa > gugde ku no'u la sralygu'e kujoi la razgu'e kujoi la jugygu'e kujoi la > kolombi,as joi la ekuador joi la xingu'e kujoi la bidgu'e kujoi la > madagaskar joi la mexygu'e kujoi la pervu'ui zei gugde kujoi la gugdecudu This may be what they meant, but I'm not sure how they got that list of countries, and as the paragraph is about biodiversity, I suspect they mean "se spati", not "spati". Here's how I first interpreted it: "zenoce'i loi se spati cu xabju papa gugde" or "papa gugde cu se xabju zenoce'i loi se spati". The first is pretty unlikely; even if the numbers of countries with a particular species had a binomial distribution, no more than about 23% (is that right?) could occur in exactly 11 countries. The second makes some sense, but it seems to me that Ecuador and Madagascar are too small to contain 70% of all plant species. If you know what it means, could you explain it with quantifiers and prenexes, and sequence order if necessary? I suspect that the eleven countries may be the first eleven in some relevant sequence. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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