From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCJ0JznBBoE9ZxefA@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 19 17:44:54 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJcVX-0001j0-Gn; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:54 -0800 Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4sf3242680gyh.16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Aqm6hzCAhR0MIdKDuKYcl1rpwtFRzrLIV4t2W88xja4=; b=6W7Tqq555YsoIryyGjudTqueXiBrHWrfkfPkzO8ptgqGX559VrcwLaOuj8IkSpDweM ETgaJytFRwqqJ+JrxccjuxvesOsG91S2ymaFpYwuXwrfP/aCA3GpD7BIz0xXRIx02G5j oGGgo/SMJuArIserVutLnWqEPXKV1EhgCmvGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=nw/Oz5tUSVuJa7Xz97u+Ab7ufgrD3OeNqZuI22R5K6+NrIycU6I9K6cJ8EDDP6Q1XK DH0t9GXiRRSDnYefjR04vwt7WGGGcixaDgno8W+bQaRuUSYMW4vFY20MA6CAcBUJGs5f TMDPTcwPQHxXZUtgRMMNuMPPw2uXb3IdDmcEw= Received: by 10.90.38.18 with SMTP id l18mr235019agl.35.1290217481346; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls755484ibk.3.p; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.33.71 with SMTP id g7mr1056415ibd.6.1290217479142; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.33.71 with SMTP id g7mr1056412ibd.6.1290217478903; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com (mail-iw0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si945562ibb.4.2010.11.19.17.44.37; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so605412iwn.0 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.132 with SMTP id p4mr2966050ibd.33.1290217477747; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.205.209 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:44:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201011190829.52883.jezuch@interia.pl> References: <90e6ba53aa46e9d9b9049542c2a8@google.com> <9f838b31-e959-41d3-aa04-c1599ea84916@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <201011190829.52883.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:44:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: New language: lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221532ce4c71b3850495722a7d --00221532ce4c71b3850495722a7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/19 Krzysztof Sobolewski > Dnia czwartek, 18 listopada 2010 o 08:57:49 Remo Dentato napisa=B3(a): > > > - {ti noi broda} vs. {lo vi broda} (and same with ta/va and tu/vu). > > I agree that we shouldn't have two translations (one with {ti} and the > > other with {vi}) but I would not prefer one over the other. I would > > rather let the transator decide. > > Isn't the "pointing" property of {ti} an important distinction between th= e > two? I would'nt say these two forms are exchangeable... > -- > Ecce Jezuch > "'Help me Jesus, help me clean my wounds' > He said he cannot heal that kind" - P. Keenan > {ti noi gerku} - "This thing nearby, which is a dog" {lo vi gerku} - "A dog, which is nearby" There really isn't much of a difference. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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2010/11/19 Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>=
Dnia czwartek, 18 listopada 2010 o 08:57:49 Remo Dentato napisa=B3(a):
> > - {ti noi broda} vs. {lo vi broda} (and same wi= th ta/va and tu/vu).
> I agree that we shouldn't have two translations (one with {ti} and= the
> other with {vi}) but I would not prefer one over the other. I would > rather let the transator decide.

Isn't the "pointing" property of {ti} an important dist= inction between the two? I would'nt say these two forms are exchangeabl= e...
--
Ecce Jezuch
"'Help me Jesus, help me clean my wounds'
He said he cannot heal that kind" - P. Keenan

{ti noi gerku} - "This thing nearby, whi= ch is a dog"
{lo vi gerku} - "A dog, which is nearby"
=
There really isn't much of a difference.

-- mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe l= o pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Si= de! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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