From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDt1ZznBBoEBb16Mg@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 19 17:57:16 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJchV-0002nw-Ao; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:57:16 -0800 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf2711275wyb.16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:57:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AdZVpYKFOuAojLLWW70mnHwVjmUl+QEB2qZ58muPB4U=; b=5GsqNbCbhMsGMnDSpyeOtF/0m0HVWBy/J3XhAByXYZLJbKNC5obvjyBI+0qDgV8hJl QfFrR8ZI0/bzENb+weL4r0bL/8D0TViVStVYHf+Yxlje3cKBseqHauxjpVCKyutoBMSQ z0nAROuOPlqTQeTi5GcfLtHKfTGYsx0CAHZfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ekvPUbg3K7HrFGmRfVxbv6V1XgCZQgCABmOHoOG8IyVMf82U0BBJwdJP6JiFWjiQfE jTIgvuJYysPUGIFdzmqvODK3QP83nNUp9ngUQs/9P7fQPXUtc29Bn1u90g8Bho6JXlYA crj933x7F9Cdj83wZXgUovku9KrTiR3+jvHcU= Received: by 10.216.163.147 with SMTP id a19mr616324wel.18.1290218221327; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.62.75 with SMTP id x53ls1299915wec.3.p; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.159.20 with SMTP id r20mr262323wek.7.1290218219546; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.159.20 with SMTP id r20mr262322wek.7.1290218219484; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m20si238668weq.3.2010.11.19.17.56.58; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by mail-wy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 33so98975wyb.16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:56:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.144.65 with SMTP id y1mr3081941wbu.199.1290218218134; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:56:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <90e6ba53aa46e9d9b9049542c2a8@google.com> <9f838b31-e959-41d3-aa04-c1599ea84916@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <201011190829.52883.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:56:58 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: New language: lojban From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/11/19 Jonathan Jones : > > {ti noi gerku} - "This thing nearby, which is a dog" > {lo vi gerku} - "A dog, which is nearby" > > There really isn't much of a difference. The difference is that "ti" is a thing near the speaker, while "vi" indicates nearness to any contextual reference point: very often the speaker, but it could also be, for example, the agent or some other salient participant of the situation being described, especially if the speaker is not a part of that situation. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.