From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDY-qXnBBoExG_gUg@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 21 12:13:27 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PKGHr-0004gu-Uu; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:27 -0800 Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4sf4881670gyh.16 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=47xeheWxIdIR8eQK2/SymalyVxAI1oAs7svviJd+GbA=; b=27XzPN59c465lUZC895Weq+4aC3dW8hPfixrnSXJTGMbiWh5FapzGg+a6U7s7kW5y0 3sGD1OvjoMx9Q/mwAh31O8/+1Ew8izpzj8BpM5ie8lcvE54QSqd2TQQIqRmYnRS3Fbz6 HV6F8rxQxTBX8/7YqB4UdkozQz7jB+8XyqPsA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zxG85HjGKxxem86n2ih/aJmrIvBlGg+CLNjkrXxV3ECDcuOIeZ09mIgNv9NeSwYjAB XYdJkBtqFSBJsegRwK/35jWWxxAVLVX2YA7JMxupn0WA5KzNnd/NHFBd7hrQoUmBfRze /yALkBGPTHcXAbM4xWRopc1XMpL1AIaCeq8Bk= Received: by 10.151.69.12 with SMTP id w12mr459584ybk.76.1290370392090; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.19.201 with SMTP id c9ls1290009ibb.1.p; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr2386259ibk.15.1290370390214; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr2386258ibk.15.1290370390181; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si1680956ibq.5.2010.11.21.12.13.09; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by iwn1 with SMTP id 1so7531071iwn.9 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.15.137 with SMTP id k9mr5867144iba.58.1290370388250; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.81 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:13:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201011211317.42297.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201011211317.42297.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:13:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Does {na nei} work like that? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022153dd7cf9ed099049595c44b --0022153dd7cf9ed099049595c44b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 20 November 2010 16:06:36 ianek wrote: > > coi > > {na nei} should work like {na go'i}. According to LLC 15.9, {na} > > replaces previous negation, not negates it. Just like this: > > A: i le vi karce na crino > > B: i na go'i > > > > A: this car isn't green > > B: it isn't > > > > So {na nei} should mean "this negative statement is indeed true", or > > I'm awfully wrong. > > That's what I think too. What happens, though, when you have several {na} > or > {ja'a} in front of a selbri? > > I think the right way to say "this statement is false" is "dei jitfa". > > Pierre > -- > I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. From Robin Lee Powell's signature: Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", *but "this sentence is false" is "na nei".* -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Pierre Abbat <= span dir=3D"ltr"><phma@phma.optus.= nu> wrote:
On Saturday 20 November 2010 16:06:36 ianek wrote:
>= ; coi
> {na nei} should work like {na go'i}. According to LLC 15.= 9, {na}
> replaces previous negation, not negates it. Just like this:=
> A: i le vi karce na crino
> B: i na go'i
>
> A: = this car isn't green
> B: it isn't
>
> So {na nei= } should mean "this negative statement is indeed true", or
> I'm awfully wrong.

That's what I think too. What = happens, though, when you have several {na} or
{ja'a} in front of a = selbri?

I think the right way to say "this statement is false&q= uot; is "dei jitfa".

Pierre
--
I believe in Yellow when I'= m in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.

From Robin Lee Powell's signature:
=A0
Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/)= : The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spi= taki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is &quo= t;na nei".

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmi= ma le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Co= me to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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