From lojban+bncCJXwn4e6DRDQzMDmBBoEQQiY2A@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 02 07:55:29 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDIGh-00007Z-EV; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:29 -0700 Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13sf1672800fxm.16 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=yRA36oWMSu0/+xv2pmi056iMNLdhZQ+Ebrwdp8wxtQg=; b=YTzzUJnNhvVVGBGi2fIJsFGso7My2jKJoQ1js11fQ3dZLpu1gzPTjD8It8/zRqeKPo bAcEqnz/Bys6Z3x1m3gIKZF/XiQNL/MFhsR1y2yqyEgzfItwLWneecLzs3Fo9sHa3uJc wz4SpRXd8lmZWkrjVDZ+p5Vl+iSsPTGIqnJvQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ZeAGq0L/xoSevlnbPTPloOlXbnd+YbopJMKGwDcVfqMUgb5qmrg9xj/2qGoe3Be650 MIZ/VNGDXqHwTUvbR9AGR8+4WIGWVCOJdTlLnOP9RUj4YarOnlC36nRzVTokDnns6S0c FnSJ75IrIP0NM9G/AaOMTy1ud8m1ZExc5KN7A= Received: by 10.223.83.8 with SMTP id d8mr557134fal.27.1288709712531; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.49.147 with SMTP id v19ls67457bkf.1.p; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.126.154 with SMTP id c26mr841250bks.11.1288709711510; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.126.154 with SMTP id c26mr841248bks.11.1288709710881; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com (mail-fx0-f52.google.com [209.85.161.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g12si3221969bkl.1.2010.11.02.07.55.09; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.52; Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so6613253fxm.25 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.79.78 with SMTP id o14mr10625891fak.117.1288709709575; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:55:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.119.10 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <995110.82874.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Adam Lopresto Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:54:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: adamlopresto@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adamlopresto@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Oren wrote: > I don't mean to hijack this conversation, but I feel like my last question > (which I asked twice) hasn't been answered by anybody. > It doesn't deal with the question of when/how/why there is sumti raising, > but a rather practical note of whether we could/should explicitly state in > some document precisely which gismu are recommended to function as things > like events, states, objects, etc. In what way are the parenthetical remarks not exactly what you're looking for? djica: x1 desires/wants/wishes x2 (event/state) for purpose x3 Right there it's specifying that the x2 is an event or state. Now, we probably need to review them and fill in anything that's missing (like the x3 above, and nandu1). But it's not a *gismu* that has a type, it's individual places in a selbri. > Example: > bajra - may implicitly be 'nu,' may implicitly be 'pu'u' None of the places of bajra (except maybe the x4) can do that. > My question is, is this type of information useful and valid? If so, can it > be curated, and would anybody like to help? I started a spreadsheet with > wiki editting privileges (no login necessary). > https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFAtNHNmWTlyeFR1TzIzaUZwMXNWeEE&hl=en&authkey=CNCr2d0B Again, the important thing is which individual places accept what sorts of arguments. The gismu itself just relates those places. > co'o mi'e korbi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.