From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRD78cDmBBoEk3vHdw@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 02 09:15:05 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDJVl-0000Mv-Q3; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:05 -0700 Received: by ywj3 with SMTP id 3sf5493890ywj.16 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:14:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XNoT/DzVx0jaB1asiC2zAoYB8raJ3cDfvI1NzC/MbBc=; b=fr0VSRoGj8FvL+WTq5SmCGTkrUri8gPD1ZoYu+iBwUy961iGtb9sKCXUyNUX3gIicL Mq9eSPWHsBuu1ohBgGDYM9fQ0Cfl0wjhRkOtiq7Hg4m6wAmLWBVfHIVaSK6flYS9lSod qjjI1LUDvFabRHajz8vsSg/CFraro3yh1DBXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DB2ejMEzxwQkx+1+btdJC5KRZsqu1LS/PoT6m48FwRUM002bVP83cCk4ydhqqjW4t+ 22MQU3f53AqpM3ZPjtSKexU6nML8wjUIvq38PVBIcXE1oSp05fk/I4/gzXwoPQJVH8fn 9Cq0TEAOMbKcqYsTgKzj9l4PM8/37V386Hs6E= Received: by 10.90.3.14 with SMTP id 14mr173369agc.43.1288714491215; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:14:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.194.10 with SMTP id r10ls75740anf.6.p; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.32.16 with SMTP id f16mr333510anf.28.1288714490512; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.32.16 with SMTP id f16mr333509anf.28.1288714490501; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.124]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id s31si2637135yhc.14.2010.11.02.09.14.49; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.124 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.124; Received: (qmail 40960 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2010 16:14:49 -0000 Message-ID: <924334.40683.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OL2xS6wVM1lF27V5uEem0SGh7BYyujMrX2zqOcKvR_vyK9i QfA6sw7aVfS9wiInOamjliWSVMqX7o2e3qfNBHzjMju7bcWRgzRlJLJ5Ywnn 5KCotxAbjJvXkouxT5w.g1iaViYKEqiokCMl7jyUx1sJsiFjoawk6mi41qLm OH_BOkZAU1dcuQbONXh1NmmLGs7F3QX671agJxY8YHn0GE88V6pS8pV5mUg2 QPtsoUuVw7BIdHivLUH7MpyQ9jd3uw4xuPh_8oM9IJRb61Epjp2wDUWbi8Ei 7.ik3rRnHQCC373wCegca4esLo13jpcQ4YQqTYcyt.MEgHGmYDxF3MwpC7pg s0Y8XibooYBIIMmaOmzSHemBE4ePikayoNATRCuNATOwfQOI- Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:14:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 References: <995110.82874.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20101102040903.GA10493@alice.local> <4e1aec20-2d77-4473-a6e3-780700105315@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <4e1aec20-2d77-4473-a6e3-780700105315@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.124 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, xorxes has ideas about how Lojban *does* work, and, with minor exceptions, he has got it right. So Lojban is his "other" language. Sorry you think this discussion is bull-crap; it is trying to work out the ramifications of Lojvan being a logical language, dealing with both the logical part and the language part, and shooting for reasonable resolution where they appear to conflict. ----- Original Message ---- From: Lindar To: lojban Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 9:55:04 AM Subject: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra Oren, I answered your question some two or three times. Where x2 of broda asks for {nu} and x1 of brode asks for {nu}, {.i broda lo brode} is kosher, because lo brode already -is- an event. For all other cases, an abstractor is necessary. (barring all the other bullcrap/arguments going on right now) xorxes, since you have all these ideas about how Lojban should work, why don't you just make your -own- language and let it stand up to Lojban? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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