From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCt8sDmBBoE0CdYBA@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 02 09:15:55 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDJWa-0000S1-5A; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:55 -0700 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf592057pwi.16 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zFPbArgpDtvUFcId8Lv43T15my76fsfWrayAfbjKpzE=; b=V/qvF8Wu6E1h6VzcBgJhR5sD9pxJfwQTsmo6/V13u6/BE3dJ3wC2O479yimLz2x5sT ck4xoJoNlo71rMpxEobrztu1Ez7T677X3IonKEyPTQW78ZfPvnpAcvbGUZe6mX973WhI r0s8OukmCgdcupunAhw+GIbGI9dukK2t6GSFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LTjXndJn7aO/k2vTk1twTfbXsVptWMUnOSbrOLdAdbC65Wp4msjnHRL4WBnCLIeI95 5zhkUcTTI6T1YLDJG+j+SFXmrmVK3wuCdPW2B1tN5EwQkMGF+iqb7nwrgodLmKaxhzvS PFnP06PDr5HHXNOXn7CUFOpECW5rbqOela75c= Received: by 10.143.153.15 with SMTP id f15mr266900wfo.36.1288714541861; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls313687wff.3.p; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.44.16 with SMTP id r16mr4522549wfr.47.1288714541300; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.44.16 with SMTP id r16mr4522547wfr.47.1288714541192; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si12910983wfl.7.2010.11.02.09.15.40; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.182; Received: by mail-px0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 1so1003890pxi.13 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.20 with SMTP id w20mr16123679qcn.233.1288714539635; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.229.78 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:15:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:15:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Another comic (Again!) From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: >> At the moment I have: =A0{pu sazgau fi le sinxa} =3D "the signal has bee= n >> activated" > > I'm not sure I see the connection between sazri and "activate". Oh! I would have said I took {sazgau} from jbovlaste but I can't seem to find it anywhere! I can't remember how I came up with this one. > I've always missed a couple (or at least one) gismu for "is on" and > "is off". The best I came up with is cando/tolcando or cando/cikna or > sipna/cikna. > > I would probably have used "tolcadgau" or "cikygau" for "activate". Also Pierre suggested {tolcadgau}. I can see that {lo tolcando} must be "on" (if it's an apparate or a machine) but {lo cando} is not necessarily "off" (it could be "on" but simply doing nothing). It seems un-lojbanic to me to have {tolbroda} not being the real opposite of {broda}. What if we consider that something that is "on" is "capable of some activity" and something that is "off" is not? Remo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.