From lojban+bncCLr6ktCfBBC72avnBBoE_YYaOA@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 22 14:20:59 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PKeko-0005Ya-OE; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:58 -0800 Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf5984636gwj.16 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=jwI2BhKYlDoSJZjqCxfbE967ZKPSD2+0IVBzBWaTvkQ=; b=eE1Yn8knY6LKyDxmAddp2WzbB7HE1gKQLxTKXLgsxSwvtw+16lALPb1bCjmhqZwLVN 34LINRg0UgN5XxRZfZT0XR6RZF+sqUXoiFbpGwHHnMF12znnBRqXH+MqBDnyEwSzQDqy M1mqmeI6o7rVhHzMPNXeS0dVORcdb+UX0GWlI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=IrxgJjGbRpuxPJat6Op7G6iM9J7OtaWxEhE8tiafGwTecOuE2KMAkI9osLvbQuZEhJ 173O5YHOmDN7PoDHEettn8v2JvSJ1NkfWQ6NILRh3U6kWgm81uU6uhMyYpenUKwiPlc0 pRRYWIgZHcK8g+EgeCM/EdcRKZ7jMZ84eiijE= Received: by 10.151.62.31 with SMTP id p31mr614152ybk.20.1290464443075; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.56.35 with SMTP id e35ls1979339yba.5.p; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.114.1 with SMTP id r1mr1554459ybm.49.1290464442128; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.114.1 with SMTP id r1mr1554457ybm.49.1290464442082; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q8si782909ybk.8.2010.11.22.14.20.42; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.161.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.161.182; Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22so2037824gxk.27 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.91.121.3 with SMTP id y3mr8038257agm.156.1290464441501; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e47sm3567450yhc.4.2010.11.22.14.20.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:20:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:20:38 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Re: Lojban Web Programming Help? Message-ID: <20101122222038.GC9357@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20101120001959.GE9301@digitalkingdom.org> <3bef85c9-8913-473d-b979-78631e81546e@q36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> <20101121225935.GC5638@alice.local> <20101121230542.GW9301@digitalkingdom.org> <20101122000542.GD5638@alice.local> <20101122210255.GE9301@digitalkingdom.org> <20101122215921.GG9301@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20101122215921.GG9301@digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.161.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 01:59:22PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 01:54:37PM -0800, Matt Arnold wrote: > > Everyone please keep in mind the poll is not "which > > languages/frameworks do you think other people should program > > jbovlaste2 in", it's which ones you are committing to help with. I > > am not very confident that an anonymous poll will prove accurate > > when the time comes to pay up with our time. > > I am anti-confident; my confidence in people in this community > paying with their time has been thoroughly eroded over the years. > > I just wanted to know what to *avoid*. :) In particular, I like > weblocks, and wanted to know how stupid it would be to write > something in that. > It is interesting to me that the Lojban community managed to publish a book, write a parser, and create a complete-ish specification for the language--yet this sentiment of not having support, help, encourgagement, or focus is commonly expressed. Robin, is your expectation of what people will accomplish out of line? Has the community changed? Did it used to be better? I'm curious as to what is going on, as I don't quite see us having the skills and committement to publish a book, but some of us did that anyway. -Alan -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.