From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRC7ybDnBBoE0okibQ@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 23 12:32:14 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PKzX3-0008PC-JL; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:32:14 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf1139701gxk.16 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ItwU7HG5/RFlI/4kQK2DoUej1PfMGVd12yB+anOz+R8=; b=kxKB1TxYE4aUCYy6+n05Il27GUEqs5w06vZ4I0f/wsJlGXbeNgUPhFCu+ZX7O7KuFS 7VAiTjCFpDBrFXqU9oSnh66ogzMG2cS59lZLaX4ki/Ero4DrXtV74WkSItnHCgUqu4tZ 8MoNJi2WlRG0p/EikOVtGNZsaMA9keLKHOKnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=NlMRP4A7w11Pqa+gqXDrKh/s7VyT+s0f82cM468zXVLAPmy5etph038cmxEhnymydB hll/Nkf1JYkqrXQdTddmqWzL2Q5Uq84okl6gKOkz0zmgR+IcohQ4prTv55t9fDcpx3jE fSwg4f5/jV0AJh1F7CXL2AgnE9+XfgZA53Q0w= Received: by 10.90.114.14 with SMTP id m14mr562896agc.6.1290544315527; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:55 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.164.26 with SMTP id r26ls1411138ano.4.p; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.1.15 with SMTP id d15mr1392594ani.13.1290544314734; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.1.15 with SMTP id d15mr1392593ani.13.1290544314713; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id y14si142447any.7.2010.11.23.12.31.53; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.119; Received: (qmail 23783 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2010 20:31:53 -0000 Message-ID: <142663.23085.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: LX5mEWAVM1kkjZScHECrML0ODM9KDEi0VymtYCvH1cYpFMo PcR5HfuvZdHkpcvW1Dx37ApkQ4ORir4yJxWafVKb6RdC8By3utOJq09CDy.l G3ZFGSlkTQzDuh0S5SnuB0Hx4iTMt5BRj5ozapHd6s71fPzWa3leqiqXrrDu qfNtooASQh_Eo7MHhBO8Oi8sP5LUaH33jeHdmY4YwDq_WnujXyM4GotHeL4P tBIjimpGhm0ZoyDBcd6F8mDWJnL7WAFWZIvhbVy3n0LhxTDU8y7hb_4Sr82F vbfCUsNUDI_3M0yznIBrWMMP_Qz6tGuVlcnB2LmbmPWkWCSsVZvRjP_ZlxBu a4mhNzqTbN30XNmIWk61fvhb1EoOffbV.w4a9E9DKDvVFHU5U.0bT1DzsDw- - Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <201011211922.31518.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary table of discourse indicators To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice, since these buggers give me more trouble than just about anything else. BUT There is little (no?) indication of the various semantic and pragmatic ro9les that these indicators play. Some of them are just passing comments on the attached sentences, some of them change the role of those sentences (move them off the purely factual into the directive or performative or subjunctive role), some just mark places, some give warnings about reliability, and so on. These, perhaps more than the putative meanings of the expressions, are what we need to know about them. Admittedly, there is still some controversy about the exact role of some of these, but most could be pretty neatly put to rest, I hope. Not that I want to be the one to do it. ----- Original Message ---- From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 12:15:44 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary table of discourse indicators New version on the cheat sheets page: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=jbo_cheat_sheet I've posted three versions: 1 page (for example to print it A0 and hang on your wall :) ), 2 pages (front back landscape) and 4 pages (possibly to print as a booklet). I've checked and it seems I've no control over the mime/type of wiki attachements. Does any one else has problems while opening PDF files? About {ze'ei}, jbovlaste says that it works like {zei} but has the grammar of the right valsi and the semantic of the first. Not sure how it is supposed to be used. The other experimental cmavo seems very reasonable (especially {fu'au}). I have some reserve for the "replacement" cmavo but I don't like {si} and friends too, so I might be biased. Hope you find it of some help. As always the OpenOffice files are attached for those wanting to add/change them. Remo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.