From lojban+bncCIPo5fbjAhD9qLHnBBoEMMMgKQ@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 23 15:55:59 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PL2iE-0007IC-6Q; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:55:59 -0800 Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23sf894560gwj.16 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:55:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Wl0thtGZPJ/nQpmB11AzsmG4m27u7+T4ymP2+R5bwwk=; b=QDk8113SZuHjbX9AoVAKopAoLRZVMSGgTH/kyrCzGKvEAWXpQ5kfGUOb8M2EO3XKLM h4WCDV5xuffZlGhokUVbI7VTgZKVEq0biExm9efPqBMzkDdnqB9dr2rffPLKIfO2MKmx J8ZDvOD22XbT0MPOc5Osng8BGElKJjjfbY604= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=YCVr/pPCQ6MTedNVMoQAbHe8HcIGlXA2U1RWfCjq/FIGS8Hn2fywz0x+6FIDBZ/4xu 3xqKyruDMC6e40Redn2LSeeJfCcyTEIT5mR9dNpRZZhUOsq3KhC5fo0HHlSIRethimNC KVnm9gq+A8g/A9CQABFqEHgBk6iuYSVAMEVBs= Received: by 10.151.63.32 with SMTP id q32mr811647ybk.24.1290556541207; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:55:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.249.20 with SMTP id w20ls650584ybh.6.p; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.53.21 with SMTP id b21mr1918161yba.58.1290556540594; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.210.2 with SMTP id i2mr4995892wfg.45.1290555835435; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.210.2 with SMTP id i2mr4995891wfg.45.1290555835408; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-px0-f172.google.com (mail-px0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si9700414wfc.6.2010.11.23.15.43.54; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cyril.slobin@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.172; Received: by pxi6 with SMTP id 6so2676606pxi.31 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:43:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.156.15 with SMTP id d15mr7628278wfe.384.1290555834277; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:43:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.207.6 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:43:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:43:54 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate From: Cyril Slobin To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cyrilslobin@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cyril.slobin@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cyril.slobin@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Is there a way to take a selbri and make a sumti that is not "an x1 of > broda" but simply "broda"; like "broda is interesting", having not to do > with an event, proposition, etc. of broda, but just the predicate itself, as > an abstract concept? About the only idea I have is to use {lo selbri be fa > zo broda} which seems like a pretty terrible way of doing it. {la'e zo broda} ? -- http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, `it means just what I choose it to mean' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.