From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDzs7TnBBoEarEKiA@googlegroups.com Wed Nov 24 05:58:28 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLFrY-0000Q9-42; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:28 -0800 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf18018144qwh.16 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0tuvQa5Buv3nq//VzMaNNAGehIXo/iZA5mDFHEZljeQ=; b=KBoKdHgMiizV4FcySE1pgqpnXK5m1ITpC1AU4DX2XC1AlRWL6BcOYyOPcyQle75xDv /ffscTY+OG4aiJClNV3sMZdSNO0Av0biTKLLIDnF1x2ykO2dISkXut+PSJmxvfQ9r5ZY if2y9YkBhfChohKRKLQQoqXzcQvii8h+zLdMQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ndo37LJ0zb9Qty7iuTXqkYKUAXLWHlfsa+m+jiaCn56lwPW4f7lu6Z87D2cAgRznT5 tT/LBitAitSQPpRLorRh8gvWa7Asbgd9tQY7yczhC8HLpi23t2GfEbsVMhb4UH3xfiYI fr5ZJRwZct86tUQz84uVGDYaxSdbzrwIlRGwM= Received: by 10.229.142.72 with SMTP id p8mr962919qcu.48.1290607091111; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls219820qck.0.p; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.192.15 with SMTP id do15mr994382qcb.22.1290607089803; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.192.15 with SMTP id do15mr994381qcb.22.1290607089765; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j6si1500192qcu.10.2010.11.24.05.58.08; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.177; Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so5485133qyk.8 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.236.193 with SMTP id kl1mr7732500qcb.37.1290607088274; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.219.14 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:58:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64ca45a0a8ea80495cce182 --0016e64ca45a0a8ea80495cce182 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm having real trouble understanding what you mean by "the predicate itself as an abstract concept". You can certainly find the idea of broda intersting - "lo si'o broda cu cinri", but I expect that's not what you mean? Is there any way you can put your abstract example into a more concrete one? --gejyspa On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Is there a way to take a selbri and make a sumti that is not "an x1 of > broda" but simply "broda"; like "broda is interesting", having not to do > with an event, proposition, etc. of broda, but just the predicate itself, as > an abstract concept? About the only idea I have is to use {lo selbri be fa > zo broda} which seems like a pretty terrible way of doing it. > > mu'o mi'e latros. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e64ca45a0a8ea80495cce182 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0I'm having real trouble understanding what you= mean=A0by =A0"the predicate itself as an abstract concept".=A0= =A0 You can certainly find the idea of broda intersting - "lo si'o= broda cu cinri", but I expect that's not what you mean?=A0 Is the= re any way you can put your abstract example into a more concrete one?
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa


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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@g= mail.com> wrote:
Is there a way to take a selbri = and make a sumti that is not "an x1 of broda" but simply "br= oda"; like "broda is interesting", having not to do with an = event, proposition, etc. of broda, but just the predicate itself, as an abs= tract concept? About the only idea I have is to use {lo selbri be fa zo bro= da} which seems like a pretty terrible way of doing it.=20

mu'o mi'e latros.

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