Well, since you *are* just talking about words, 'zo broda' see= ms about right. Predicates and arguments are just words, so I take yo= ur sentence to mean "The word 'klama' with five sumti (noun phrases) makes = a complete sentence". If you mean something more than that, might I a= lso suggest the lambda abstraction the relation (I forget how to do that, b= ut I think it does take a lot of 'ce'u's). This the function from n-t= uples of things to truth values, the characteristic function of the set of = n-tuples mentioned earlier. I keep thinking there is something else y= ou might mean, but I can't quite figure out what.

From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado= @gmail.com>
To: lojb= an@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 10:11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate<= br>
{lo si'o broda} expands to {lo si'o zo'e broda zo'e ...}. I don't want the = idea involved in a proposition involving broda, a proposition involving bro= da, etc. I want to be talking about broda as a predicate.

I don't actually know how to take {mu da} and put it into a sequence or= set (short of using a vast excess of {ce'o} or {ce}), so unfortunately thi= s has to be in English:

The predicate "klama" takes five arguments.<= br>
Anyway, {la'e zo} works. I had that idea before coming to this actually= but I suspected for some reason that it might give me a concrete object. N= ice to know that it doesn't, and that this isn't all that hard to do.

.i ki'e .i mu'o mi'e latros.

On Wed, = Nov 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrot= e:

=
I'm having real trouble understanding what you mean by &nbs= p;"the predicate itself as an abstract concept". You can certai= nly find the idea of broda intersting - "lo si'o broda cu cinri", but I exp= ect that's not what you mean? Is there any way you can put your abstr= act example into a more concrete one?

--gejyspa

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado= @gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a way to= take a selbri and make a sumti that is not "an x1 of broda" but simply "br= oda"; like "broda is interesting", having not to do with an event, proposit= ion, etc. of broda, but just the predicate itself, as an abstract concept? = About the only idea I have is to use {lo selbri be fa zo broda} which seems= like a pretty terrible way of doing it.=20

mu'o mi'e latros.

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