From lojban+bncCPieuJrRARCTgLXnBBoEkY_KRA@googlegroups.com Wed Nov 24 08:41:08 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLIP0-0006iH-Jk; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:41:07 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf3634214wyb.16 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=U3bMGZsRtNXSlhDXXgw3K2Is7RFTOBUNrCzeSASFihU=; b=Ui7QD+0FaNjaPAW3TJEubBKoIxG5SJFuhkjZok4Giirs3J6G1tneQ1H8rCV8Ql2/2r ThWyU/7SqMARuIvw1p9LAD7SPt7OLTs2JVeqVoJZiFOI68JZqtkDGXZd4XzE9rrQdgEe K5fghtkKfsYfytVU86GYCXipCLgJ2n5adh4DQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=J1E5NrwGpxrm1BZeQ7cqruBf0UBuqP7VnGpN7GEdoBLk+LmGPb9HF0XxNIVjKDkkwi jwQfW3aXq+JZIKpApdp2GePDDS93IAnitW/9V6tqSk8nD74X2CBtW+57apAJutLot/xb lbs/ChivZ/fZxYu5JUBa3m7eF3lDRdOp/Okh4= Received: by 10.216.229.14 with SMTP id g14mr495135weq.0.1290616851521; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.10.153 with SMTP id 25ls97052eev.3.p; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.29.10 with SMTP id h10mr1233009eea.17.1290616849260; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.29.10 with SMTP id h10mr1233007eea.17.1290616849232; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ew0-f42.google.com (mail-ew0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r17si2437538eeh.7.2010.11.24.08.40.48; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of purpleposeidon@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.42; Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so5201179ewy.1 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.119.198 with SMTP id n46mr3772276eeh.38.1290616847940; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.138 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:40:47 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate From: purpleposeidon To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: purpleposeidon@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of purpleposeidon@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=purpleposeidon@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {zo klama bridi fi mu terbri}, {zo klama bridi fi mu lo ro terbri}? On 11/24/10, Ian Johnson wrote: > {lo si'o broda} expands to {lo si'o zo'e broda zo'e ...}. I don't want the > idea involved in a proposition involving broda, a proposition involving > broda, etc. I want to be talking about broda as a predicate. > > I don't actually know how to take {mu da} and put it into a sequence or set > (short of using a vast excess of {ce'o} or {ce}), so unfortunately this has > to be in English: > > The predicate "klama" takes five arguments. > > Anyway, {la'e zo} works. I had that idea before coming to this actually but > I suspected for some reason that it might give me a concrete object. Nice to > know that it doesn't, and that this isn't all that hard to do. > > .i ki'e .i mu'o mi'e latros. > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> I'm having real trouble understanding what you mean by "the predicate >> itself as an abstract concept". You can certainly find the idea of broda >> intersting - "lo si'o broda cu cinri", but I expect that's not what you >> mean? Is there any way you can put your abstract example into a more >> concrete one? >> --gejyspa >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Ian Johnson >> wrote: >> >>> Is there a way to take a selbri and make a sumti that is not "an x1 of >>> broda" but simply "broda"; like "broda is interesting", having not to do >>> with an event, proposition, etc. of broda, but just the predicate itself, >>> as >>> an abstract concept? About the only idea I have is to use {lo selbri be >>> fa >>> zo broda} which seems like a pretty terrible way of doing it. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e latros. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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