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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] on emotions again Message-ID: <20101124205623.GC13152@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <692126.83443.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <692126.83443.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.213.180 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:48:22PM -0800, A. Piekarski wrote: >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > The lojban "emotional" system is very rich and I feel that future > > lojbanic poets and musicians will find great ways to use it. > > However, not being a poet myself, I feel I miss some of the lojban > > potentials not being able to go beyond the most simple emotions. > >=20 > > So; i made some research and found psychology studies on the Internet > > that could be help me (and hopefully others) to better understand the > > lojban emotional systems. > >=20 > > One I found interesting is Plutchik's wheel of emotions: > > http://www.ebookopen.com/greener/images/Plutchikfig6.gif , It is > > somewhat lojbanic in the sense that complex emotions are considered as > > combination of simpler emotioins (for example "love" is "joy"+"trust") > >=20 > > To my shame, I found I could translate very few of those "basic > > emotions", it would be great if someone could help me translate them, > > I'll try to devise some graphical representation for a cheat sheet! > >=20 > > Anyone? > >=20 >=20 > Some years ago, I took a stab at this.=A0 It turned out to be more diffic= ult=20 > than I expected.=A0 Lojban emotions don't map very well onto Plutchik's w= heel. >=20 > See attached speadsheet. >=20 I was expecting to see brivla, actually. I think, for instance, that the inner wheel represents emotions that are not broadly acceptable to express in public (like lust), where as you move out of the wheel you get things (like love) for which an attitudinal is appropriate because you would need some way to express that you're experiencing that emotion. Thank you for this spreadsheet. -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.