From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDambbnBBoEfmm1Fw@googlegroups.com Wed Nov 24 14:08:39 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLNVz-0004iM-QE; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:39 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf382954qyk.16 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lqc9d+u2mtF0hT/3/fPHduSD02Urzs7NoV5/rMznxZY=; b=pDA/wPR0qVhwrBHaWmjHjGQt6PQuUAGB5w2GbT2TWe9xthCV0UPWdscZ/fvfFJxJHw 5XH5s9rNg+0psgB560iP9LVRJaJNmaT1GEYJtG1d0HBqjqZy/C3Qz4S5Sb1dO0+Bg/a3 VZnPav0lYmMIka7NVcWLbQCEvxKt9QWyQtq9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=4oQ6/laQwwcbyyHCDL885XWjMtaGfiULlUSHGIy9IGwYqdeYUN9gaRzYKNo8rTB6vq M6zsfKbuO4FnOsuCpjj4FKOBDfnrKoPCu5giQUob9QuH8c/kdF8+Mns+wNn8OwvazH8P tSO44PnfEZFG3OrimVHxkg+twtzHeYx6C2X/k= Received: by 10.229.43.73 with SMTP id v9mr1028894qce.6.1290636506563; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.126.81 with SMTP id b17ls192989qas.4.p; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.19.196 with SMTP id c4mr226010qab.26.1290636505843; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.19.196 with SMTP id c4mr226009qab.26.1290636505819; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f48.google.com (mail-qw0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 3si1593613qci.14.2010.11.24.14.08.24; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.48; Received: by qwe5 with SMTP id 5so238042qwe.21 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.95.146 with SMTP id d18mr8115389qcn.119.1290636504133; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.226.15 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:08:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101124205623.GC13152@alice.local> References: <692126.83443.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20101124205623.GC13152@alice.local> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:08:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] on emotions again From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:56 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:48:22PM -0800, A. Piekarski wrote: >> Some years ago, I took a stab at this.=A0 It turned out to be more diffi= cult >> than I expected.=A0 Lojban emotions don't map very well onto Plutchik's = wheel. >> See attached speadsheet. > > I was expecting to see brivla, actually. =A0I think, for instance, > that the inner wheel represents emotions that are not broadly > acceptable to express in public (like lust), [...] > totus, that spreadsheet is exactly what I was trying to get to! If anyone else could comment, we could transform into some nice graphical format. alyn, I think that using emotionals is important here. Consider that emotionals can be attached to other words, they refer to the speker only when used at the beginning of a sentence, so it may make sense to use an emotional instead of describe the same think with a brivla. I'll go looking at totus spreadsheet more carefully ... Thanks! Remo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.