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Clifford" Subject: Re: [lojban] on emotions again To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2010, at 16:08, Remo Dentato wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:56 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:48:22PM -0800, A. Piekarski wrote: Some years ago, I took a stab at this. It turned out to be more difficult than I expected. Lojban emotions don't map very well onto Plutchik's wheel. See attached speadsheet. I was expecting to see brivla, actually. I think, for instance, that the inner wheel represents emotions that are not broadly acceptable to express in public (like lust), [...] totus, that spreadsheet is exactly what I was trying to get to! If anyone else could comment, we could transform into some nice graphical format. alyn, I think that using emotionals is important here. Consider that emotionals can be attached to other words, they refer to the speker only when used at the beginning of a sentence, so it may make sense to use an emotional instead of describe the same think with a brivla. I'll go looking at totus spreadsheet more carefully ... Thanks! Remo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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