From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDCnLvnBBoEwQ8lKA@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 25 13:00:05 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLiv6-0001zX-5C; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:00:04 -0800 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2172744qwh.16 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TB9a7F/N0touX4f5sJiV0hHKnpPxiTUpkLhHV1pGxGg=; b=IsoS37i7BfcB3fETMUYr6BoaDuI4EmumY1agxoRT1MWMB9Rk7lTE7nDLX5S4Iff24m 9nLSF2WlBoy+cUtWA0s73r8lyeZcPYU/fnhToIcLCotqbtl7FBLP/NJkWDRJWIQRYsb/ 6ZP19eIPvdluPdT/0LcalFppdLQNoCeM10aq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BEAxuZg+QYqK3S/3cpiP91cAo5D3VB9ccd92ku7QRXdL/uxXzDM1/i0K46csGmcoxQ KXwpBcZLv+1AoqIUTSl8faPhRprVjhwRpIPME2+yWN8dNOPE2gx0NEYbrL/1uVb+5Nw0 Rr6Oz/vpJVf5CzFfcUlAG6KWD+8GORjTTwpz4= Received: by 10.229.2.34 with SMTP id 34mr96082qch.29.1290718786566; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls695832qck.0.p; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.188.4 with SMTP id cy4mr140839qcb.19.1290718785559; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.188.4 with SMTP id cy4mr140838qcb.19.1290718785531; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 3si228628qci.14.2010.11.25.12.59.44; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.177; Received: by mail-qy0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 27so1397036qyk.8 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.236.14 with SMTP id ki14mr271521qcb.5.1290718784428; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.226.15 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:59:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <987110.11542.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <987110.11542.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] on emotions again From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:11 AM, John E. Clifford wr= ote: > Note that using an emotional is in no way a replacement for or alternativ= e version of describing something with a brivla. =A0The apparent attachment= to various words in a sentence is mainly of rhetorical importance and very= occasionally semantic, it does not impute the emotion to any one or any th= ing other than the speaker (emotionals *express* emotions, not *describe* t= hem). > If not at the beginning of the sentence, from a syntactic point of view, the emotion is "attached" to the preceding sumti. An example that was rised in IRC is: 1. {. From a semantic point of view, this means that the the feeling "refers to" that sumti. Who's feeling the emotion is usually the speaker but the cmavo {dai} (empathy) can be used to indicaate that it's a "general feeling" and the experimental cmavo {da'oi} allows you to specifiy who's feeling it. ... Or at least this is my understanding ... Remo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.