From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDA48XnBBoESSTAFQ@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 27 13:02:07 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMRuE-0001jb-Eh; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:02:06 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf2621087gxk.16 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FK2BOarTFLAHsjIesG2dg6ZmW3YFbDyDBfAUcwiJjYA=; b=X7j85WSuDBTz3VkU8FKwsILAKPn7x8PMM9MQCdTi+kyHGX5iCxNu6/el51XXjSZ3Iy ut5+YLiprCO71CtFie8bq1Pf+icosw/6iojYIrekYS7GGhQAwbjQNU6Vor+bbLt1M2ps Oi+AAk5Feh7W1zJVdKrUzY+BUd9cJG6s6aWZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EX+5JQJQaqB8Is5QEdX2zw/A3Xfvp2ny8OeRKrVFCBSnmQykN6MNPiqmIoqDvVozZ6 A3Njv0KNqEwzAs3QjNVbiS5foUTyc57VgQxg+OSRas1l9lCML5wA/UhxIfvX54Qod7HY n9egEZEspsLdnQEfHQOnIiZbRNysu44Rsm/iE= Received: by 10.150.149.20 with SMTP id w20mr119710ybd.45.1290891712707; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.225 with SMTP id d33ls1337631ibk.2.p; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.137 with SMTP id x9mr783558ibd.2.1290891712138; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.137 with SMTP id x9mr783555ibd.2.1290891712045; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m30si784890ibu.6.2010.11.27.13.01.51; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by mail-iw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 3so4104782iwn.26 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.15.75 with SMTP id j11mr3316533iba.45.1290891710915; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.206 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.206 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:01:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <492732.93430.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <696303.3339.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:01:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221534d527df640e04960f2528 --00221534d527df640e04960f2528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So what you're saying is, in english when I see someone faceplant and say "oooooo, that looked like it hurt", there simply isn't a way to say this in lojban. I don't feel pain so {.oiro'odai ta simlu lo ka cortu} is wrong. To translate english "ooooo" in this context, how would YOU say it john? In lojban please. For me, using lojban in everyday life, being able to assert that others UI (with the implicit pe'i) like in ".oiro'o da'oi la nik ta simlu lo ka cortu (where nick has just faceplanted)" is hella useful. So just for clarification from other users of da'oi, am I doing it right? Or should I just start using {.oipeikau} (dunno why I hadn't thought of that before). On Nov 27, 2010 3:37 PM, "John E Clifford" wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00221534d527df640e04960f2528 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So what you're saying is, in english when I see someone faceplant an= d say "oooooo, that looked like it hurt", there simply isn't = a way to say this in lojban.=A0 I don't feel pain so {.oiro'odai ta= simlu lo ka cortu} is wrong.=A0 To translate english "ooooo" in = this context, how would YOU say it john?=A0 In lojban please.=A0 For me, us= ing lojban in everyday life, being able to assert that others UI (with the = implicit pe'i) like in ".oiro'o da'oi la nik ta simlu lo k= a cortu (where nick has just faceplanted)" is hella useful.=A0

So just for clarification from other users of da'oi, am I doing it r= ight? Or should I just start using {.oipeikau} (dunno why I hadn't thou= ght of that before).

On Nov 27, 2010 3:37 PM, "John E Clifford&q= uot; <kali9putra@yahoo.com&g= t; wrote:

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