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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
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Before I translate it into Lojban, I want to know what you mean by it.  As far 
as I can see, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand (da'oi).  It appears 
to be a expression of an emotion, either a sympathetic one of pain ("Owie") or a 
primary one of some level of discomfort ("Eeew"), followed by a declarative 
sentence (the expression goes with but does not modify the sentence) about how 
something looks (presumably open wounds, perhaps contorted face, perhaps just 
knowledge of how that event has felt when you did what looked like the same 
thing).  But none of this involves  the use of 'da'oi': the sentence is just a 
sentence and the long o is either a UI or a UI dai depending.on which expression 
you meant.




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From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 3:01:50 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation


So what you're saying is, in english when I see someone faceplant and say 
"oooooo, that looked like it hurt", there simply isn't a way to say this in 
lojban.  I don't feel pain so {.oiro'odai ta simlu lo ka cortu} is wrong.  To 
translate english "ooooo" in this context, how would YOU say it john?  In lojban 
please.  For me, using lojban in everyday life, being able to assert that others 
UI (with the implicit pe'i) like in ".oiro'o da'oi la nik ta simlu lo ka cortu 
(where nick has just faceplanted)" is hella useful.  

So just for clarification from other users of da'oi, am I doing it right? Or 
should I just start using {.oipeikau} (dunno why I hadn't thought of that 
before).
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon=
t-size:12pt"><div>Before I translate it into Lojban, I want to know what yo=
u mean by it.&nbsp; As far as I can see, this has nothing to do with the to=
pic at hand (da'oi).&nbsp; It appears to be a expression of an emotion, eit=
her a sympathetic one of pain ("Owie") or a primary one of some level of di=
scomfort ("Eeew"), followed by a declarative sentence (the expression goes =
with but does not modify the sentence) about how something looks (presumabl=
y open wounds, perhaps contorted face, perhaps just knowledge of how that e=
vent has felt when you did what looked like the same thing).&nbsp; But none=
 of this involves&nbsp; the use of 'da'oi': the sentence is just a sentence=
 and the long o is either a UI or a UI dai depending.on which expression yo=
u meant.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new
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ew roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"T=
ahoma"><hr size=3D"1"><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b=
> Luke Bergen &lt;lukeabergen@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
t: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com<br><b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, November 27, 2010 3:01:50 PM<br><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] Time for t=
he perenial other-centric-.ui conversation<br></font><br>
<p>So what you're saying is, in english when I see someone faceplant and sa=
y "oooooo, that looked like it hurt", there simply isn't a way to say this =
in lojban.&nbsp; I don't feel pain so {.oiro'odai ta simlu lo ka cortu} is =
wrong.&nbsp; To translate english "ooooo" in this context, how would YOU sa=
y it john?&nbsp; In lojban please.&nbsp; For me, using lojban in everyday l=
ife, being able to assert that others UI (with the implicit pe'i) like in "=
.oiro'o da'oi la nik ta simlu lo ka cortu (where nick has just faceplanted)=
" is hella useful.&nbsp; </p>

<p>So just for clarification from other users of da'oi, am I doing it right=
? Or should I just start using {.oipeikau} (dunno why I hadn't thought of t=
hat before).</p>
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