From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRC678XnBBoE3OvL0A@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 27 13:27:36 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMSIt-0006BA-QU; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:35 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf2631634ywh.16 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xS+zDiMcgzDp+GU8OlFi24FwtF+gIhTKboHcyxkK5LY=; b=CliDvg3sxjdeTXoddH5GOK44vwbKB5thQfa67XxmGrMrW2g5Y7et5d2hqPMm9OHfC3 VBm4dBLg65Mqi/jzHzys2TWCncJqfBDkBnsh3jjs+VhJpK6Z+ABGFpIpVwfyZCVSVrWz 04RzwjwjJwu8pgpgJyNXNytnAVlKVdFOXm8Pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=WpQ2UNSX9uf7ACN3SqR9lVNYhsgVhlldyc0IP/ObmQpsZAKIX/+jtdZsqvKL3XUnOS OiSoQjUVl4uVtFgKfdC7RU5FtPY5TrI5uF64y6wrS84g7OLxJ6qDkkgOZaDcudYyhJgA kuiLSVB+nC2MWdzRHSOOHotWfebJxEZOFs1JI= Received: by 10.100.206.15 with SMTP id d15mr96611ang.7.1290893242734; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.28.24 with SMTP id f24ls815043anj.0.p; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.248.13 with SMTP id v13mr654906anh.59.1290893242085; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.248.13 with SMTP id v13mr654905anh.59.1290893242066; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.117]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id g4si558785yha.3.2010.11.27.13.27.20; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.117; Received: (qmail 74902 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2010 21:27:20 -0000 Message-ID: <359657.74808.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mL0uwNIVM1llNR8P0tONvZHagX1IMxiX1iUSde2pDRMLKOc jz8H5Ptn4h_oECXto85bJcZrpTmQBYpSteH7zs5.vQqA_OWUBzW05ZkzKg1F EjLsvFFI0IUpVCKEqfdXinGRmnqWXyFqS4g5fLdMfPQc7XFye4chijgl4U_j TvhzIOkTYs.htf3e1Yv5QMfDmDeH7lfxUYD6htAJVxnlz5B_Wi0BNbYFeYkW DzsizwUXQISej4mb2LZNFV1SV2VbtksFgroQFnNsfLhfGvpvRDsDN67HNciP YLGdy8m.UHgblvEUFsFINKOO7vntzv4C9xHPZvUU3jfmzRkgUQQKnnlzn0l0 Vs6.z2S8OgfS9Gno7yPPukKxc_QcXSqy3attAvW7JOVK51ye64b4TFO4T Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <492732.93430.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <696303.3339.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And what emotion (etc.) did the speaker feel when the listener was surprised to see him? Nothing relevant comes to mind and it very probably was not surprise, even empathetically. ----- Original Message ---- From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 3:17:04 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > So just for clarification from other users of da'oi, am I doing it right? Or > should I just start using {.oipeikau} (dunno why I hadn't thought of that > before). I've not used {da'oi} yet but being of selma'o DOI I expect I'll use it like: {mi viska da'oi .liuk. .ue } to indicate that you were surprise that I had seen you, and {mi viska doi .liuk. .ue } to indicate that I was surprised to see you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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