From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDc9sXnBBoEKENm7A@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 27 13:43:04 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMSXt-00046g-5G; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:43:04 -0800 Received: by qwf7 with SMTP id 7sf4223324qwf.16 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FMbvyPSmb/JbUHL+5vM9hc1VRCfcthqpc2gWBSRsyiE=; b=7ChWuk43lDtfF4c7SS3raIUvwIXQWysoCWFcpoj5eFlk08i6BMGeP1+m1cyFzR4srz ucxuje/P43uEr16Bty6G8+tl/42Knjm36VmCL9uuaMwIT6vIOcG0nux7E5hmV0efBwbm 8oQNO/Wr4y3nliPP7l9SjkvSQhe2TlQuVgXpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uGMRunYBa6sW+i9p94dPZUD1wSkhrtvOSLCUynbwz+fCgYIcSSabWUzDzt0R74wYf5 ZUvd5eXoENlrFWQNshqAy/ui7LSwG/a+LFO/5wrj6otSVah7KQWtUuBhMPGqOzUye2Rf BtA73f4S10duR+/edCpOtkJ/WgLEdRA8Yw1ik= Received: by 10.229.78.207 with SMTP id m15mr315828qck.17.1290894172075; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls1310615qck.0.p; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.136 with SMTP id gw8mr384277qcb.29.1290894171579; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.136 with SMTP id gw8mr384276qcb.29.1290894171555; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e24si709849qcg.5.2010.11.27.13.42.50; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.182; Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so142648qyk.20 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.224.81 with SMTP id in17mr3244513qcb.81.1290894170442; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.226.15 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:42:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <359657.74808.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <492732.93430.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <696303.3339.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <359657.74808.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:42:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:27 PM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > And what emotion (etc.) did the speaker feel when the listener was surpri= sed to > see him? =A0Nothing relevant comes to mind and it very probably was not s= urprise, > even empathetically. Exactly. The speaker emotion in {mi viska da'oi .liuk. .ue } is not specified. There's no need for it: either the speaker doesn't want to say or it is clear from the context. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.