From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCLt8bnBBoEs34gQA@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 27 16:00:25 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMUgn-00032J-9F; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:25 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf2725295gxk.16 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lm1ImnS1TWeKTwQgtjHeltGcVpAeUUdcZCIe8tLrRtI=; b=Tj5p4bIA4QFcoENTJf4BpD6hHddf1pAOWgscl7MYUu3hJRt2iPEeirTS7s6K4EoIyx 1rPW7bBXybS1wsGJ4GFAHDTLVploLm2QQPctAltMvF5qmHsKB3SEMBZkDJGPRQ2XIQIp pbFthZ7YGitbuOhqOYuP+S/tQtIQrikzFa5Kc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BN3Wg8EMtZnlaBELWR/yaszIr6txuxKhKaTmlV/2/NmwhHZpeh3BL4fBG9VR1lHiTy zdGxUIQek9n6ZwIX5N1p/WFC0X3kCIjau3hNKDnZyOz52FeKPDoXR6L6UxPRwaSCv/Yw w+N0GfbdJFrMoEmusZ7T5odm3Z7umS+Ep5tQc= Received: by 10.150.26.10 with SMTP id 10mr490975ybz.78.1290902411841; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.1.11 with SMTP id 11ls2719377yba.0.p; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.26.12 with SMTP id d12mr191182ybj.27.1290902410974; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.26.12 with SMTP id d12mr191181ybj.27.1290902410943; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.118]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id p19si602664ybk.2.2010.11.27.16.00.09; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.118 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.118; Received: (qmail 53201 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2010 00:00:09 -0000 Message-ID: <60366.49337.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Lr44sNwVM1mVeLnL43fx8GCUYjllQmiobcWCoLDUQAfetf2 H3SbR5fibe80XRqhzV5wCX8ljCnkxG8yvPG.gOPSn6ybK4LbfYLcLDsIjfbW pil.XMFl96vm8HmnxXu8YJs._KKa3kjIxvySW93AhvoFwOepw5e7VWGpee7C mhyeg21h7Wz._SISaedjvBH_zL53XNEiGgdLp4YbtBA1_H0ZwfHCrPMYgQge aY7x_Q9JLeN8d5cEgnJkmVatOEQ2Ibr0VBJxMvQWIDR8UeqhdvFg_PrLQJnL FWNz1bmZRCVSC164wVgoda3rEbx9tpebSqygbPdKJISy25MFoIRWvu_3wLb_ ZfGL1FPIAWD4cWtV5panlRH2krqQGa8nXXcCzdfChyeVjUneOZbkkMS3A Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <492732.93430.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <696303.3339.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <593757.57433.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <853082.89324.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:00:09 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's not doing a cmavo's job, but a bridi's. As I say, if you want to work up a sentence type that does this, go ahead. But, in keeping with the logical language idea, do make it look like a sentence and not a UI or a cmavo smashup. For clarity, the UI should appear either in quotes or not at all. ----- Original Message ---- From: Oren To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 5:39:17 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation I see the immediate utility and expressive freedom granted by { da'oi } and no rock-solid argument that non-experimental cmavo can do the same. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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