From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCJmMnnBBoEdHixYA@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 28 04:33:26 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMgRX-0005AG-4e; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:26 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf2785946wyb.16 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4p8TMr7BFHN5NfMyKQVXAYR43KzBEHeCXNmkn2N1kXQ=; b=PmxlFmpvC3lq2cy2Cfr7kNT7eenTtFgEuXHVb3gOYGCLlq8Hd8+Buct5mUovSNOGyG NVJwbMhMFqPxgXVR6BRZ6r5SIjIhACFu04OeOQarc1RkEdriamHB39EQnOnsa5MfVGCK GYNKxdNEe6FyxFv0FCi0IeHuk4QFtwXiCVRxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t516f5Eu4c7zMJXyazKvREiCAkdtVoF5T4/9hcxD6HTCidm4kw8HNwd0NGdZJI9T33 +dJw3t15XBJVqt4IRidl2Fg7JZXyZkdTxPu+b1BBSlQvfR7/C300eHJyrWLm/LGNlzgs abvGdDJiamauNFLdMv8DTAxZTzonPUDOdJpwI= Received: by 10.216.70.213 with SMTP id p63mr22521wed.1.1290947593435; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:13 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.110.83 with SMTP id m19ls1734877wbp.0.p; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.157.79 with SMTP id n57mr389650wek.0.1290947592343; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.157.79 with SMTP id n57mr389649wek.0.1290947592322; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m20si443641weq.11.2010.11.28.04.33.11; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.182; Received: by mail-wy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 19so19051611wyf.27 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.144.65 with SMTP id y1mr4627493wbu.199.1290947590947; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:33:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 09:33:10 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > So long as empathy doesn't require that I feel the actual emotion myself, > I'm fine with that.=A0 I don't want to say .oidai and accidentally imply = that > I .oi When you use ".oi" as a verb like that is when you send pc into a fit. Neither saying ".oi" nor saying ".oidai" require that you feel anything. People seem terribly confused sometimes about the difference between feeling X, expressing X and claiming that they feel X. They are three different things. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.