From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCGtcnnBBoEjorciA@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 28 05:35:26 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMhPP-0000Xh-BF; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:35:26 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf2808751wyb.16 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:35:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ci9+DuZbKf/gttNRogE4BExNpwTWyloO8vCqMmj1XIo=; b=xgC+uCXATq0wLDJyClquZvsrwls9nyT4L76gaWeVdSkJUUBcR2dmeQIWKJnQPPJsTN eacNKS1jO/M82whFC1KmOGZbm6tuWJtJPi3F8lNaZ8P2YM575poQTom6zIFTrHsSsyrQ kDzWJy8Ol/Ve5gpcH2nW3B6Boq83zPhSOGJHM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=N8I3mJGl2nxXJuGbH1rZxa1rMiZgcOgYq+/GjOyZDzlP9sVd+5EqBTP8EjxOaWJ9ao nPIOuKyny+tIH/WWGVEsPnWXdZVIQtQ8lAQBXGgkUtX9dLfr66MiDjSMYxfhbIsl6n5F IgZnKJt7isSrz3ix1RNNa1+Qhn35LVIHZ74P4= Received: by 10.216.20.208 with SMTP id p58mr1083865wep.4.1290951302385; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:35:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.110.83 with SMTP id m19ls1746812wbp.0.p; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.144.136 with SMTP id z8mr211777wbu.16.1290951301046; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.144.136 with SMTP id z8mr211776wbu.16.1290951300985; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x80si450796weq.4.2010.11.28.05.34.59; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.47; Received: by mail-ww0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 33so1068066wwc.16 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:34:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.155.15 with SMTP id q15mr4693930wbw.141.1290951299588; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:34:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <361998.43098.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <361998.43098.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:34:59 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:49 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > Exactly, and the latter two are linguistic but of very different linguistic > types. I would say that expressing may or may not be linguistic, and that it is not a linguistic type that contrasts with claiming. Suppose that John is surprised. That is obviously not a linguistic matter, it's just something that happens. But John may express his surprise in many different ways: (1) By opening his mouth very widely. (2) By saying "Holy shit!" (3) By saying "I am truly surprised." (4) By doing all of the above. All of those are perfectly good ways to express surprise. (1) is non-linguistic, (2) and (3) are linguistic. (3) also makes a claim, but all can be used to express surprise. (2) is linguistic but does not make any claim. Saying "ue" is of course like (2). It is a linguistic way of expressing surprise, not by making a claim but by making an exclamation. Also, not all UIs are used to make exclamations, which is one of the unwarranted overgeneralizations that are sometimes made. UIs have several other uses. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.