From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCn98nnBBoE8wHmKQ@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 28 08:03:56 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMjjB-0001GR-Jx; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 08:03:55 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf1521253pwi.16 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 08:03:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=MH4pkp4koofWrGaNhL93Aa4CetgtGj8NwJbGjS2+bAs=; b=hCNAhiiWKEZRnP8vcGBQR34bQhS3FrSdIddfovr7TeHo7TFgdSoRRwd3loB6c47NVF C6HwalhLhOEOiJzCrljTiaRUen/93FxcKbGunT/4zMnbJgJQuUZSUUzY8ZNLZqtk8/Uz aH5BsOZY0DWVIzuQOOERAGDMRIaz6i3Sm/+wM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=DyRiHm02DpT/bLq3AYFw30jgtRtoE/TahBN1+Ez6YKAdEyqT+QWgDKkodCX3T9SCjt UQwSQ3zmtCcVgj+HbngEfTa6X6ehmOCd9khauo/e4La1NgdjKAltgCxUyg0vJCJcivbY VULPk5Z2lwXVu+O1IlzFz1UdYRcAFPpqk7ugg= Received: by 10.142.9.9 with SMTP id 9mr178096wfi.47.1290959783189; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:56:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls6920853wfb.2.p; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.213.8 with SMTP id l8mr3165166wfg.34.1290959781224; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.213.8 with SMTP id l8mr3165165wfg.34.1290959781203; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si4854341wfo.4.2010.11.28.07.56.20; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:56:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3jtQBdTzPyV+fq4oCU/u8ZPrJJGN11HvhaDVxyWhycI= c=1 sm=0 a=1CGMMKYqQwIA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=fUrcb8A7Yv0aZ1P45LkA:9 a=yCvjz2vrXQGVsxivzxKdv6yY8tEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:34688] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 77/4C-02631-3AB72FC4; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:56:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12C83490 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:56:18 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:56:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <480423.22284.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <480423.22284.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011281056.17681.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 28 November 2010 10:25:17 John E Clifford wrote: > Yup! Except, again, that the English sentence "That must hurt" may well = be > part of the expression as well (the "must" is a clue that this is not > merely descriptive). I think that something like 'da'oi' is useful (for > expressing empathetic emotions, etc. with third parties) but can't see wh= y > 'dai' (possibly with a change of selma'o) couldn't fill the bill, > defaulting to 'do'. What does "dai" after "pei" default to? Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.