From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC61M7nBBoEL78F2A@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 29 05:27:39 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PN3lY-0000dR-8y; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:39 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf3636608wyb.16 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8JqABss4Obsbvx/Yt7JsYCWLg0/UYe+Q/rVl2IIL94s=; b=4/dBEaTZSGiMWQgYh+a73qW82xNE4Zr5KDKENC3pwxFtIFqlxjNfYjszGSobdbJOh7 tzUPGEjEu17ev8sE6MaTbEoy1W3QyW4zZ0YZGG87uNmSJdXWJRf/DoufvvG10LnSZkD1 RqEKXUAsk0VAIbHMRHsUqD6OdMcF9aUbCdcMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BNQvcuq2BuV/Ii9Go8y736hVNGpblPvrkinuqzmqQcmNvTlJMm22VlIiNygU1EO8cX RgIU1OxxbRfG4XUgAfViO10NhQLW5qGdIcHRCOGzfGgI2dqO+9vIdCooJFQlWiCqD+bh X65kNGnilFXuT7e2f6JFa4Ta2Kc6pOln7hQ/Y= Received: by 10.216.73.210 with SMTP id v60mr51130wed.16.1291037242878; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.208.4 with SMTP id p4ls2356372weo.2.p; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.159.20 with SMTP id r20mr25400wek.7.1291037241172; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.159.20 with SMTP id r20mr25399wek.7.1291037241147; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t18si579450wes.1.2010.11.29.05.27.20; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.50; Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so265497wwf.7 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.134.142 with SMTP id j14mr5940834wbt.228.1291037238312; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:27:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <34382.7549.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <604115.16202.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <752705.36302.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822423.65423.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <605319.19000.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433664.89554.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34382.7549.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:27:18 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:33 AM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > =A0There is, after all, no grunts > and wheezes that ask where one is in three (or four or more) space, one a= sks > "Where the fugawee?" =A0Why should the matter be different for emotional > space? If there was a UI that was used to express you were at some particular point in space, then tagging it with "pei" would be a perfectly reasonable way to ask whether you were there. There aren't any spatial points that are special enough across points and general enough across people to have a UI assigned to express our being there, and also it does not seem to be something humans feel compelled to express. Maybe a UI for "I'm here!" wouldn't be unreasonable. If there was such a UI, we could use it to ask, although it would probably make more sense as a COI. Let's say "bu'au" was such a COI. Then "bu'au pei " would be a good way to do a roll call. mu'o mi'e xorxes. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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